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So, they will wait until the attention wears off, then try to push it through again. Let me remind you of a quote by former EC President Juncker: "We decide o

So, they will wait until the attention wears off, then try to push it through again. Let me remind you of a quote by former EC President Juncker: "We decide on something, leave it lying around, and wait and see what happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because most people don't understand what has been decided, we continue step by step until there is no turning back." That is how the Commission operates. No wonder that many, including me, have serious trust issues towards them.

rdm_blackhole 3y ago
I think we are beyond trust issues at this point. The whole EU commission system is a rort. It removes the power from the EU parliament and puts it into the hands of un-elected officials who are appointed in back-room deals between the ministers of the member countries. It could not be further from democracy.
Maken 3y ago
I wish we could get rid of the European Commission. They are essentially a proxy of lobbying agencies, working behind closed doors and stopping the European Parliament from drafting and amending European laws. Thank god the Parliament can still stop bullshit from passing, but the fact that they can essentially just vote yes/no is infuriating.
- RandomLensman 3y ago
  No, the Commission is a proxy for national governments.
  - Wytwwww 3y ago
    Wouldn't that be the council? Commissioners are only responsible for specific areas so they can't really represent the overall the interests of their state directly.
    - RandomLensman 3y ago
      The Council of the European Union nominates the Commissioners (one for each country) and the Council of the European Union is made up of 27 national minsters (one from each state). You are are right that the Commissioners are bound to their office but the way they are nominated has distinct national "mechanics".
- switch007 3y ago
  > I wish we could get rid of the European Commission Well, the UK got rid of the EC and the UK still works exactly the same. Our government is a proxy of lobbying agencies, working behind closed doors. There's a bigger root cause
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    The UK got rid of the EU just so the establishment could control the population more. It's no coincidence that the pending tax evasion laws from the EU coincided with the tories pushing Brexit (using tons of lies, like the NHS bus). Now they have free reign, at least until the next election when labour will probably win. In a way it was truly about "Taking back control". But not by the population but the big vested interests.
  - Macha 3y ago
    There's also some amount of national politicians laundering unpopular at home legislation through the EU, having it proposed and passed there and then throwing their hands up and saying "See, it's the EU making us do this". The UK's "success" on that front is part of why the anti-EU sentiment there was so high.
- SiempreViernes 3y ago
  I mean, getting rid of the part of the EU executive that actually are charged with thinking of the union itself seems excessive? Especially as that would leave the European Council as the only executive, meaning it is the executive of the nations that would also have to run the union executive... No, probably better to make the Council of the European Union a upper house of the EP and give them the nomination right, with the EUCO having some veto powers dictated by how unanimous they are. But in any case, because the EU is a union of independent states with quite different outlook on things I think it is unavoidable that the system that endures holding it all together is pretty convoluted.
  - Maken 3y ago
    Probably the Comission is "fine" as the executive branch of the EU. But it should delegate all the legislative powers to the Parliament.
- denton-scratch 3y ago
  > stopping the European Parliament from drafting and amending European laws. The EU Parliament doesn't get to draft laws, AFAIAA.
  - Maken 3y ago
    That's the problem. The Commission does.
denton-scratch 3y ago
To be fair, Juncker was an exceptionally awful commissioner and president.
- raxxorraxor 3y ago
  He was a bit cheeky but believed in the cause of the EU becoming more prominent and had a perspective for what is important. UvdL is so much worse she would skip several magnitudes here. She is basically popular because nobody understands what she is saying.

rdm_blackhole 3y ago

I think we are beyond trust issues at this point. The whole EU commission system is a rort. It removes the power from the EU parliament and puts it into the hands of un-elected officials who are appointed in back-room deals between the ministers of the member countries. It could not be further from democracy.

Maken 3y ago

I wish we could get rid of the European Commission. They are essentially a proxy of lobbying agencies, working behind closed doors and stopping the European Parliament from drafting and amending European laws. Thank god the Parliament can still stop bullshit from passing, but the fact that they can essentially just vote yes/no is infuriating.

RandomLensman 3y ago
No, the Commission is a proxy for national governments.
- Wytwwww 3y ago
  Wouldn't that be the council? Commissioners are only responsible for specific areas so they can't really represent the overall the interests of their state directly.
  - RandomLensman 3y ago
    The Council of the European Union nominates the Commissioners (one for each country) and the Council of the European Union is made up of 27 national minsters (one from each state). You are are right that the Commissioners are bound to their office but the way they are nominated has distinct national "mechanics".
switch007 3y ago
> I wish we could get rid of the European Commission Well, the UK got rid of the EC and the UK still works exactly the same. Our government is a proxy of lobbying agencies, working behind closed doors. There's a bigger root cause
- wkat4242 3y ago
  The UK got rid of the EU just so the establishment could control the population more. It's no coincidence that the pending tax evasion laws from the EU coincided with the tories pushing Brexit (using tons of lies, like the NHS bus). Now they have free reign, at least until the next election when labour will probably win. In a way it was truly about "Taking back control". But not by the population but the big vested interests.
- Macha 3y ago
  There's also some amount of national politicians laundering unpopular at home legislation through the EU, having it proposed and passed there and then throwing their hands up and saying "See, it's the EU making us do this". The UK's "success" on that front is part of why the anti-EU sentiment there was so high.
SiempreViernes 3y ago
I mean, getting rid of the part of the EU executive that actually are charged with thinking of the union itself seems excessive? Especially as that would leave the European Council as the only executive, meaning it is the executive of the nations that would also have to run the union executive... No, probably better to make the Council of the European Union a upper house of the EP and give them the nomination right, with the EUCO having some veto powers dictated by how unanimous they are. But in any case, because the EU is a union of independent states with quite different outlook on things I think it is unavoidable that the system that endures holding it all together is pretty convoluted.
- Maken 3y ago
  Probably the Comission is "fine" as the executive branch of the EU. But it should delegate all the legislative powers to the Parliament.
denton-scratch 3y ago
> stopping the European Parliament from drafting and amending European laws. The EU Parliament doesn't get to draft laws, AFAIAA.
- Maken 3y ago
  That's the problem. The Commission does.

denton-scratch 3y ago

To be fair, Juncker was an exceptionally awful commissioner and president.

raxxorraxor 3y ago
He was a bit cheeky but believed in the cause of the EU becoming more prominent and had a perspective for what is important. UvdL is so much worse she would skip several magnitudes here. She is basically popular because nobody understands what she is saying.