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Plenty in use in some EU countries (Germamy comes to mind).

askonomm 3y ago
Like mentioned in another reply here, Germany is quite outdated when it comes to these things, and I wouldn't consider Germany a modern country (by northern European standards).
- ghaff 3y ago
  I was just in Spain and mostly just used a card but, anecdotally, it looked like the norm was paying for meals/drinks with cash. There's a lot of variation in Europe.
  - askonomm 3y ago
    Oddly it seems to me the further south you go, the less modern things get. Is there some correlation with the climate or something?
    - RandomLensman 3y ago
      No. Partially, modernity was paid for by other countries and less legacy (some new EU members), the classic Nordics are all high tax and small - so consensus is easy. In large countries the cost of changing things and supporting laggards is also much higher (and a few % opposition is a lot of people in Germany or Italy, for example)
- RandomLensman 3y ago
  There is just no desire in Germany to go there. That said, why is Estonia still a net EU receiver of funds then?
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  - askonomm 3y ago
    From what I've heard from people living in Germany, there very much is, but the government is afraid of change, and love bureaucracy to the point that nothing ever actually gets done or changed. That said, Estonia has been an independent country only for the past 30 years, previously under Soviet Union, and within that time we have technologically surpassed Germany in every way possible, and yet Germany, a huge economy and power, seemingly can't put either of those traits to good use for their people. Seems like you are comparing David to Goliath here, and David is winning.
    - RandomLensman 3y ago
      You have done that with a lot of support from the outside and little legacy, but I guess time to cut EU net funding to Estonia now that you are winning. Germany has a very weird relationship with technology, and, yes, right now it is turning itself into a museum of sorts because change is not popular. Not sure there is winning if one side has no interest in going there, though.
      - askonomm 3y ago
        Little legacy? I'm afraid you are not up to date on how hard it is to improve as an ex-soviet country with a large Russian population, many of them pro-Putin, who would do anything in their power to create corruption and prevent positive change
        RandomLensman 3y ago
        Little legacy tech compared to what was deployed in the West 30 years ago.
        askonomm 3y ago
        Fair enough

Like mentioned in another reply here, Germany is quite outdated when it comes to these things, and I wouldn't consider Germany a modern country (by northern European standards).

ghaff 3y ago
I was just in Spain and mostly just used a card but, anecdotally, it looked like the norm was paying for meals/drinks with cash. There's a lot of variation in Europe.
- askonomm 3y ago
  Oddly it seems to me the further south you go, the less modern things get. Is there some correlation with the climate or something?
  - RandomLensman 3y ago
    No. Partially, modernity was paid for by other countries and less legacy (some new EU members), the classic Nordics are all high tax and small - so consensus is easy. In large countries the cost of changing things and supporting laggards is also much higher (and a few % opposition is a lot of people in Germany or Italy, for example)
RandomLensman 3y ago
There is just no desire in Germany to go there. That said, why is Estonia still a net EU receiver of funds then?
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- askonomm 3y ago
  From what I've heard from people living in Germany, there very much is, but the government is afraid of change, and love bureaucracy to the point that nothing ever actually gets done or changed. That said, Estonia has been an independent country only for the past 30 years, previously under Soviet Union, and within that time we have technologically surpassed Germany in every way possible, and yet Germany, a huge economy and power, seemingly can't put either of those traits to good use for their people. Seems like you are comparing David to Goliath here, and David is winning.
  - RandomLensman 3y ago
    You have done that with a lot of support from the outside and little legacy, but I guess time to cut EU net funding to Estonia now that you are winning. Germany has a very weird relationship with technology, and, yes, right now it is turning itself into a museum of sorts because change is not popular. Not sure there is winning if one side has no interest in going there, though.
    - askonomm 3y ago
      Little legacy? I'm afraid you are not up to date on how hard it is to improve as an ex-soviet country with a large Russian population, many of them pro-Putin, who would do anything in their power to create corruption and prevent positive change
      - RandomLensman 3y ago
        Little legacy tech compared to what was deployed in the West 30 years ago.
        askonomm 3y ago
        Fair enough