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Citation needed. Flash wasn't particularly more unreliable or awful than browsers were. I think that flash got a bad rap because browser vendors didn't like it'

Citation needed. Flash wasn't particularly more unreliable or awful than browsers were. I think that flash got a bad rap because browser vendors didn't like it's monopoly on content and they wanted a slice.

justinclift 3y ago
> Flash wasn't particularly more unreliable or awful than browsers were. Citation needed. Saying that because Flash was widely touted as a significant contributor to browser crashes. Though, looking for a citation for that myself just now... all of the search results I'm getting back are just an endless sea of "Flash crashed my browser" type of things instead. :/
- phendrenad2 3y ago
  Yeah, exactly. Just because everyone says it doesn't make it so, and the general public are often wildly wrong about basic computer facts.
  - justinclift 3y ago
    Well, neither of us seem to have supporting evidence so far... ;) --- Using some different search parameters is turning up some results: * http://web.archive.org/web/20140903235611/https://crash-analysis.mozilla.com/bsmedberg/flash-summary.html http://web.archive.org/web/20140903235611/https://crash-anal... * https://wiki.mozilla.org/CrashKill/Flash https://wiki.mozilla.org/CrashKill/Flash * https://wiki.mozilla.org/CrashKill/Flash_Breakdown_Data https://wiki.mozilla.org/CrashKill/Flash_Breakdown_Data There is some talking around the problem on the old Mozilla Blog: * https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/firefox-3-6-4-with-crash-protection-now-available/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/firefox-3-6-4-with-crash... Things being about a decade old is adding further difficulty. :/
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    - phendrenad2 3y ago
      > http://web.archive.org/web/20140903235611/https://crash-analysis.mozilla.com/bsmedberg/flash-summary.html http://web.archive.org/web/20140903235611/https://crash-anal... This is a page where Firefox developers are discussing how to inject their own crash-reporting code into the sandboxed flash container. I never said that 3rd party plugins didn't occasionally have crashes, so I don't see the point of this link. Can you elaborate? > https://wiki.mozilla.org/CrashKill/Flash https://wiki.mozilla.org/CrashKill/Flash This lists crashes seen in the Flash module. But again, I never said that 3rd party plugins didn't occasionally have crashes. > https://wiki.mozilla.org/CrashKill/Flash_Breakdown_Data https://wiki.mozilla.org/CrashKill/Flash_Breakdown_Data This is a documentation page about types of all-cause failures related to Flash, (could be Firefox code issues) > https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/firefox-3-6-4-with-crash-protection-now-available/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/firefox-3-6-4-with-crash... Javascript also has "crash protection" in the form of a sandbox. That's why pages can "crash" without taking down the entire browser. This would also work exactly the same for Flash.
      - justinclift 3y ago
        Yeah, that's all fair. Did you manage to find citations supporting your assertion? :)
- liquidpele 3y ago
  Chrome was the first browser to stop letting plugins crash the whole thing, so yea it was a thing before for sure, but it was still way better than other things like ActiveX or Java applets…

justinclift 3y ago

> Flash wasn't particularly more unreliable or awful than browsers were. Citation needed. Saying that because Flash was widely touted as a significant contributor to browser crashes. Though, looking for a citation for that myself just now... all of the search results I'm getting back are just an endless sea of "Flash crashed my browser" type of things instead. :/

phendrenad2 3y ago
Yeah, exactly. Just because everyone says it doesn't make it so, and the general public are often wildly wrong about basic computer facts.
- justinclift 3y ago
  Well, neither of us seem to have supporting evidence so far... ;) --- Using some different search parameters is turning up some results: * http://web.archive.org/web/20140903235611/https://crash-analysis.mozilla.com/bsmedberg/flash-summary.html http://web.archive.org/web/20140903235611/https://crash-anal... * https://wiki.mozilla.org/CrashKill/Flash https://wiki.mozilla.org/CrashKill/Flash * https://wiki.mozilla.org/CrashKill/Flash_Breakdown_Data https://wiki.mozilla.org/CrashKill/Flash_Breakdown_Data There is some talking around the problem on the old Mozilla Blog: * https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/firefox-3-6-4-with-crash-protection-now-available/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/firefox-3-6-4-with-crash... Things being about a decade old is adding further difficulty. :/
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  - phendrenad2 3y ago
    > http://web.archive.org/web/20140903235611/https://crash-analysis.mozilla.com/bsmedberg/flash-summary.html http://web.archive.org/web/20140903235611/https://crash-anal... This is a page where Firefox developers are discussing how to inject their own crash-reporting code into the sandboxed flash container. I never said that 3rd party plugins didn't occasionally have crashes, so I don't see the point of this link. Can you elaborate? > https://wiki.mozilla.org/CrashKill/Flash https://wiki.mozilla.org/CrashKill/Flash This lists crashes seen in the Flash module. But again, I never said that 3rd party plugins didn't occasionally have crashes. > https://wiki.mozilla.org/CrashKill/Flash_Breakdown_Data https://wiki.mozilla.org/CrashKill/Flash_Breakdown_Data This is a documentation page about types of all-cause failures related to Flash, (could be Firefox code issues) > https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/firefox-3-6-4-with-crash-protection-now-available/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/firefox-3-6-4-with-crash... Javascript also has "crash protection" in the form of a sandbox. That's why pages can "crash" without taking down the entire browser. This would also work exactly the same for Flash.
    - justinclift 3y ago
      Yeah, that's all fair. Did you manage to find citations supporting your assertion? :)
liquidpele 3y ago
Chrome was the first browser to stop letting plugins crash the whole thing, so yea it was a thing before for sure, but it was still way better than other things like ActiveX or Java applets…