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People have been railing against the news for years (decades?) about overreporting negative news and making things seem worse than they actually are. Then an ar

by johnfn 3y ago

People have been railing against the news for years (decades?) about overreporting negative news and making things seem worse than they actually are. Then an article comes out saying things are actually OK and we get comments like these. I suspect there's really no winning here.

taskforcegemini 3y ago
so people should not complain about fabricated news? also: whataboutism
arcticbull 3y ago
The thing that bothers me for instance, living in SF, is that SF has always been kinda nuts. However. In the last 8 years SF traffic tickets issued have fallen by 97%. [1] Now I know that in the last 8 years people didn't suddenly become 97% better at driving. That kind of thing really skews my perception of the statistics. When I hear mass shootings happen in Bernal and near 24th, and my street gets looted several times -- but crime is actually down and I'm safer than ever according to the stats -- something just doesn't add up to me. I don't think there were more murders in SF, that kind of thing gets picked up and reported - but I don't think that the number of traffic incidents per murder has dropped 97%. Therefore, I also don't think the number of property crimes per murder has dropped, or car jackings, etc. I have no basis to work from, nothing to anchor my personal perceptions of safety. I mean ffs SF boarded up downtown for the elections in 2020. That's some failed state shit. I've got my plywood all set for 2024. The number of killings has never been high in my recollection. Dropping by some percent, large or small, doesn't impact my personal perception of safety. But all sorts of other things do. [1] https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/traffic-citations-san-francisco-declined-97-18363007.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/traffic-citations-san...
- johnfn 3y ago
  Ehh, for an anecdotal counterpoint, I've lived in SF for 10 years. When I first moved here, I'd hear gunshots - actual gunshots - outside of my apartment in the Mission every couple of months, and people were getting shot regularly. Nowadays, alright, the Mission isn't amazing, but it certainly isn't that bad. I do agree that traffic citations going down is an indicator of less citations rather than better traffic... but while you can avoid reporting on minor crime like speeding to some degree, it's quite a bit more difficult to stop tracking murder, which is what the original article is about.

by johnfn 3y ago

taskforcegemini 3y ago

so people should not complain about fabricated news? also: whataboutism

arcticbull 3y ago

The thing that bothers me for instance, living in SF, is that SF has always been kinda nuts. However. In the last 8 years SF traffic tickets issued have fallen by 97%. [1] Now I know that in the last 8 years people didn't suddenly become 97% better at driving. That kind of thing really skews my perception of the statistics. When I hear mass shootings happen in Bernal and near 24th, and my street gets looted several times -- but crime is actually down and I'm safer than ever according to the stats -- something just doesn't add up to me. I don't think there were more murders in SF, that kind of thing gets picked up and reported - but I don't think that the number of traffic incidents per murder has dropped 97%. Therefore, I also don't think the number of property crimes per murder has dropped, or car jackings, etc. I have no basis to work from, nothing to anchor my personal perceptions of safety. I mean ffs SF boarded up downtown for the elections in 2020. That's some failed state shit. I've got my plywood all set for 2024. The number of killings has never been high in my recollection. Dropping by some percent, large or small, doesn't impact my personal perception of safety. But all sorts of other things do. [1] https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/traffic-citations-san-francisco-declined-97-18363007.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/traffic-citations-san...

johnfn 3y ago
Ehh, for an anecdotal counterpoint, I've lived in SF for 10 years. When I first moved here, I'd hear gunshots - actual gunshots - outside of my apartment in the Mission every couple of months, and people were getting shot regularly. Nowadays, alright, the Mission isn't amazing, but it certainly isn't that bad. I do agree that traffic citations going down is an indicator of less citations rather than better traffic... but while you can avoid reporting on minor crime like speeding to some degree, it's quite a bit more difficult to stop tracking murder, which is what the original article is about.