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The US also has forced conscription. It hasn't been used since the 70s, but the legal/constitutional ability of the government to do so is pretty much undispute

The US also has forced conscription. It hasn't been used since the 70s, but the legal/constitutional ability of the government to do so is pretty much undisputed (although there is some surprisingly recent controversy about the male only aspect). The rights being discussed in the article sounds like rights nominal protected by Russian law. So really the question is 'do rights the government grant you count, if that government ignores them?'. In a properly functioning liberal democracy, the answer is 'yes, because there is a co-equal branch of the government (the judiciary) that will not ignore them'. In a country where all aperatasus of the government agree not to respect those rights, then all you have is paper.

LinuxBender 3y ago
although there is some surprisingly recent controversy about the male only aspect It's back on the table for discussion [1] but it would probably take a serious event to push this in one direction or the other I think. Probably nudging it in the requirement direction is the lack of physically qualified candidates. I have no idea what direction this will ultimately go. I have proudly served along side women in the US military and witnessed them performing all the duties expected of them not in combat. How random male and female conscripts would be allocated in warfare by the US remains to be seen and I do not know to what extent they have tested this idea. I have sparred with female fighters outside of the military and would be afraid to meet them in battle but these were not random conscripts and in my humble opinion are not very common. [1] - https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/06/27/requirement-women-register-draft-back-table-annual-defense-bill.html https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/06/27/requirement-w...
- gizmo686 3y ago
  In 2021, the Supreme Court declined to hear a case challenging the constitutionality of it, in part because the court found that Congress was activly looking into it. According to the court, in 2020 a congressional commission tasked with looking into it advised eliminating the male only selective service. Congress almost did so, to the point where both houses of Congress approved a draft bill that would; however the provision was dropped before a final version was agreed to. For a country that has not had a draft in half a century, that is a suprising level of controversy. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/20-928_new_i4ek.pdf https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/20-928_new_i4ek....

LinuxBender 3y ago

although there is some surprisingly recent controversy about the male only aspect It's back on the table for discussion [1] but it would probably take a serious event to push this in one direction or the other I think. Probably nudging it in the requirement direction is the lack of physically qualified candidates. I have no idea what direction this will ultimately go. I have proudly served along side women in the US military and witnessed them performing all the duties expected of them not in combat. How random male and female conscripts would be allocated in warfare by the US remains to be seen and I do not know to what extent they have tested this idea. I have sparred with female fighters outside of the military and would be afraid to meet them in battle but these were not random conscripts and in my humble opinion are not very common. [1] - https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/06/27/requirement-women-register-draft-back-table-annual-defense-bill.html https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/06/27/requirement-w...

gizmo686 3y ago
In 2021, the Supreme Court declined to hear a case challenging the constitutionality of it, in part because the court found that Congress was activly looking into it. According to the court, in 2020 a congressional commission tasked with looking into it advised eliminating the male only selective service. Congress almost did so, to the point where both houses of Congress approved a draft bill that would; however the provision was dropped before a final version was agreed to. For a country that has not had a draft in half a century, that is a suprising level of controversy. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/20-928_new_i4ek.pdf https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/20-928_new_i4ek....