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It’s still worth pointing out to counter a narrative. Since the onset of COVID we’ve had a new President from a different party and there’s been a lot of talk a

It’s still worth pointing out to counter a narrative. Since the onset of COVID we’ve had a new President from a different party and there’s been a lot of talk attributing bad crime figures to Democratic control. If it’s reverting to pre-COVID levels that seems like a much stronger suggestion that it has very little to do with who is in charge.

irjustin 3y ago
Loosely related - I hate that people get the narrative in their heads (in itself isn't bad) but when presented with new info, won't let go of the flawed concept.
giantg2 3y ago
The president has virtually no impact on crime (not directly anyways - some research shows a hope factor can reduce violence in areas with a president that matches the area's party or demographic). The state and local leaders have a much higher impact since most crime is prosecuted at those levels.
onionisafruit 3y ago
Very few Americans blame crime on the president. More likely their mayor or police chief. Sometimes the sheriff, DA or governor. Occasionally they blame the criminal or victims too.
- irjustin 3y ago
  I believe you're discounting the power of Fox News[0]. Those comments could be troll farms, or real people, no idea. But, a non-trivial portion of America thinks like this. Ignore/discounting this group is actually how Trump won the presidency. Progressives got ahead of themselves (ourselves?) and got blind-sided. [0] https://www.foxnews.com/politics/americans-murder-capital-grade-president-bidens-performance https://www.foxnews.com/politics/americans-murder-capital-gr...
- Capricorn2481 3y ago
  Where are you getting very few? I'd say pick 5 random Americans and at least 2 will blame the president for most problems.
  - onionisafruit 3y ago
    My statement was mostly informed by my weekday mornings at the neighborhood rec center. Half of the geezers I talk to voted for Trump. The other half are so old they probably last voted for Bush — and I don’t mean W. They all talk shit about Biden; primarily about immigration. But when they go on about crime, it’s always local politicians they blame.
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- ncallaway 3y ago
  > Very few Americans blame crime on the president. ??? That just doesn't come _close_ to matching the reality I live in.
- gedy 3y ago
  > Very few Americans blame crime on the president. If they voted for him, otherwise they sure do blame.

irjustin 3y ago

Loosely related - I hate that people get the narrative in their heads (in itself isn't bad) but when presented with new info, won't let go of the flawed concept.

giantg2 3y ago

The president has virtually no impact on crime (not directly anyways - some research shows a hope factor can reduce violence in areas with a president that matches the area's party or demographic). The state and local leaders have a much higher impact since most crime is prosecuted at those levels.

onionisafruit 3y ago

Very few Americans blame crime on the president. More likely their mayor or police chief. Sometimes the sheriff, DA or governor. Occasionally they blame the criminal or victims too.

irjustin 3y ago
I believe you're discounting the power of Fox News[0]. Those comments could be troll farms, or real people, no idea. But, a non-trivial portion of America thinks like this. Ignore/discounting this group is actually how Trump won the presidency. Progressives got ahead of themselves (ourselves?) and got blind-sided. [0] https://www.foxnews.com/politics/americans-murder-capital-grade-president-bidens-performance https://www.foxnews.com/politics/americans-murder-capital-gr...
Capricorn2481 3y ago
Where are you getting very few? I'd say pick 5 random Americans and at least 2 will blame the president for most problems.
- onionisafruit 3y ago
  My statement was mostly informed by my weekday mornings at the neighborhood rec center. Half of the geezers I talk to voted for Trump. The other half are so old they probably last voted for Bush — and I don’t mean W. They all talk shit about Biden; primarily about immigration. But when they go on about crime, it’s always local politicians they blame.
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ncallaway 3y ago
> Very few Americans blame crime on the president. ??? That just doesn't come _close_ to matching the reality I live in.
gedy 3y ago
> Very few Americans blame crime on the president. If they voted for him, otherwise they sure do blame.