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Price increases are just one way you can get screwed. You can also lose out when your provider doesn't drop prices or pick up operating efficiencies that other
by Narkov 3y ago
Price increases are just one way you can get screwed. You can also lose out when your provider doesn't drop prices or pick up operating efficiencies that other providers have.
- scarface_74 3y agoAnd when has that happened with respect to either GCP, AWS or Azure at a level that it’s worth migrating? Even if you have done everything in a “cloud agnostic” way, “infrastructure has weight”. Any large migration isn’t just technical , it involves project management, organization training, regression testing, compliance testing, security testing, architecture review boards, vendor negotiations, firewall changes, coordination with third parties who may only allow list certain IP addresses, data migration, etc. Heck they often have multiple physical network connections to the cloud provider (Direct Connect) Anyone who thinks they can run everything on K8s and they have “cloud agnosticism” has never done a very large scale migration. You would be amazed how long it takes to do a bog standard lift and shift of a hundreds of plain jane VMs and VM hosted databases. You can’t get anymore cloud agnostic than that. source: I’ve done a few over the years in both the “real world” and working in the cloud consulting department at AWS (Professional Services). I no longer work at AWS and have no specific loyalty to AWS.
- dehrmann 3y agoThe other thing I'd add is cloud agnosticism doesn't scale. If everyone were prepared for it, there wouldn't be enough elastic capacity with other cloud providers. You'd need enough reserved capacity in another cloud to pull it off, but I guarantee you finance will say "no." What makes the most sense is multi-region work since it's more cost effective, and it's the more likely failure scenario.
- scarface_74 3y agoThere usually isn’t enough elasticism if a region fails. You really even then need to have reserved capacity and maybe even a hot standby or active-active.
- charcircuit 3y ago>And when has that happened with respect to either GCP, AWS or Azure at a level that it’s worth migrating? Egress price makes it worth migrating away from those three.
- intelVISA 3y agoWhilst there are some nice toys e.g. Spanner, there's generally little other reason to tolerate the abusive pricing of 'the cloud' ime
- scarface_74 3y agoYou’ve never been the one neck to choke when things go wrong have you? If Billy Bob’s cloud provider goes down, you are going to constantly be blamed for making a poor decision. If anything goes wrong they are going to question your decision. If you choose AWS (or Azure) and a region goes down - everyone else is down too. “No one ever got fired for choosing IBM”. Choosing the most popular vendor - AWS, Salesforce, ServiceNow, or whatever vendor is in the upper right Gartner magic square quadrant never gets questioned by the powers that be.
- charcircuit 3y agoEven if the alternate cloud provider goes offline for an entire day it still would be worth it financially compared to AWS because egress is so expensive there.
- scarface_74 3y agoAnd you ignored the entire reply didn’t you? It’s naive to think at the “one neck to choke level” that all decisions are made for purely technical reasons. And for you to just say “it’s okay to be down an entire day” because of egress cost tells me that you have never done infrastructure requirements analysis at scale. First you have to assess the cost of being down for a period of time, then you have to access RTO, RPO requirements and not all workloads have high egress costs - especially things like data lakes that may have a lot of ingress and processing costs, but relatively low egress costs. I’ve done a lot of different cloud projects over the years from lift and shifts, to data lakes, to cloud call centers, to serverless, to ETL jobs, you can’t just blindly repeat “egress costs” in a vacuum without understanding use cases.
- dehrmann 3y agoThat's a long-term concern, though. The thing to worry about is a rug-pull, but no major provider will do that. They could, but they won't.