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> there are many things that kill a lot of people The FDA doesn't have jurisdiction over "many things". I personally think the FDA shouldn't exist, or should

by sneak 3y ago

> there are many things that kill a lot of people The FDA doesn't have jurisdiction over "many things". I personally think the FDA shouldn't exist, or should not have power to regulate (and should be a toothless advisory/certification authority). That said, if they are to exist, they should do their job. They're not. We're paying the bill but not getting the service. Same goes with OSHA. Every casino in Las Vegas demands their employees work in rooms filled with tobacco smoke. Why? Money. It's pure corruption. We have the rules, they're just not enforced, because if you have enough cash flow, you get a special carve-out so that the rules that apply to everyone else don't apply to you. Big Tobacco gets it from the FDA. Big Telecom gets it from the FCC. Boeing gets it from the FAA. It's everywhere, and once you see it, you can't unsee it. We're paying billions and billions for these huge bureaucracies and they're only pretending to provide us with the service they exist to provide.

pixl97 3y ago
Ah a very libertarian take, I don't think we should have rules, of course until you're personally affected and then you'll demand them.
- sneak 3y ago
  How did you get “I don’t think we should have rules” from my multi-paragraph comment complaining about how the rules we have are not enforced when and where it matters?
  - verall 3y ago
    It's the "I personally think the FDA and OSHA should not exist part" which makes me get "I don’t think we should have rules" from your comment.
    - sneak 3y ago
      Rules are critically important. We shouldn’t be paying the government to enforce them, because they aren’t, and such money is basically just being lit on fire.
      - akerl_ 3y ago
        Who enforces the rules if not the government?
jkmcf 3y ago
You are paying for the rules, not the enforcement. They don’t have 5e budget to enforce, similar to the EPA.
manquer 3y ago
> The FDA doesn't have jurisdiction over "many things". The FDA has jurisdiction over tobacco[2] and various food products contributing to obesity and those are the only two examples highlighted by OP or me in the thread. > We're paying the bill but not getting the service. Don't think we are, there is very little money for Food part of FDA, in the last 5-6 years the money for food has gone from 1,037M(2018) to 1,145(2022)[1] which in real terms considering inflation means it has gone down and last 30 years it has been similar story. Last Week Tonight had a recent in depth segment on how little resource we have for food enforcement[3] sometimes as little as singe digit inspectors for an entire industry. We don't really enforce food regulations, because we don't fund the regulatory body for food safety. [1] https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R44576 https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R44576, compare that Drugs moved from 1,330 to 2,116M in the same time period. [2] https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za45bT41sXg+ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za45bT41sXg+

by sneak 3y ago

pixl97 3y ago

Ah a very libertarian take, I don't think we should have rules, of course until you're personally affected and then you'll demand them.

sneak 3y ago
How did you get “I don’t think we should have rules” from my multi-paragraph comment complaining about how the rules we have are not enforced when and where it matters?
- verall 3y ago
  It's the "I personally think the FDA and OSHA should not exist part" which makes me get "I don’t think we should have rules" from your comment.
  - sneak 3y ago
    Rules are critically important. We shouldn’t be paying the government to enforce them, because they aren’t, and such money is basically just being lit on fire.
    - akerl_ 3y ago
      Who enforces the rules if not the government?

jkmcf 3y ago

You are paying for the rules, not the enforcement. They don’t have 5e budget to enforce, similar to the EPA.

manquer 3y ago

> The FDA doesn't have jurisdiction over "many things". The FDA has jurisdiction over tobacco[2] and various food products contributing to obesity and those are the only two examples highlighted by OP or me in the thread. > We're paying the bill but not getting the service. Don't think we are, there is very little money for Food part of FDA, in the last 5-6 years the money for food has gone from 1,037M(2018) to 1,145(2022)[1] which in real terms considering inflation means it has gone down and last 30 years it has been similar story. Last Week Tonight had a recent in depth segment on how little resource we have for food enforcement[3] sometimes as little as singe digit inspectors for an entire industry. We don't really enforce food regulations, because we don't fund the regulatory body for food safety. [1] https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R44576 https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R44576, compare that Drugs moved from 1,330 to 2,116M in the same time period. [2] https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za45bT41sXg+ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za45bT41sXg+