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> So it makes sense that people who care about quality moved away from colorful things. Women’s clothing is more colorful today. I don’t think it is because wo

by nequo 3y ago

> So it makes sense that people who care about quality moved away from colorful things. Women’s clothing is more colorful today. I don’t think it is because women care less about quality than men.

Aaargh20318 3y ago
Isn’t women’s clothing notoriously low-quality due to the whole ‘fast fashion’ phenomenon?
- jjeaff 3y ago
  I've never heard of fast fashion being attributed to just women's clothing. There are plenty of men's clothing options at stores like Zara and Uniqlo
  - KptMarchewa 3y ago
    And I wouldn't call Uniqlo "notoriously low-quality".
  - makeitdouble 3y ago
    To chime on sister comment, Uniqlo has a sub-brand ("GU") for cheaper clothing. Fast fashion isn't women exclusive, but the fashion cycle is so much shorter for women that the very notion of fashion being "fast" almost only makes sense for them *. I actually wonder what fashion style a woman could get away with wearing for 10 years. It would probably need to be almost monotone, covering, and with little to no affordance. A white long straight skirt with a black or cream T shaped top ? * There will be a non negligeable number of men also caring about fashion and follow a shorter cycle, but that's far from the norm.
  - kbelder 3y ago
    Sure, but you're talking about a fraction of woman, and a tiny fraction of men. The effect size is not equivalent.
- nequo 3y ago
  The same brands carry more colorful clothes for women than for men. I don’t suppose that their offerings for men are higher quality than their offerings for women.
debacle 3y ago
What men and women find attractive are wildly different, especially when it comes to first impressions.
Jensson 3y ago
Men wouldn't buy pants without good pockets, yet women prefers them so much that it is hard to find pants with good pockets for women. Only reason to have shitty pockets is that it makes the pants look a tiny bit better from the outside, but that tiny improvement in looks was enough to make women buy it instead. So yeah, I'd argue that women and men do look at significantly different things when they make purchases.
- DFHippie 3y ago
  Plenty of women complain about the lack of pockets in women's pants. I think women feel others' judgment about their clothing choices more sharply than men do. This isn't a personality quirk. The condemnation comes down harder on them. Look at what is happening in Iran. Women are being killed for how they choose to dress. So if women make different choices, don't ascribe this entirely to differences in their personality. They face different constraints.
  - xyzelement 3y ago
    Not sure I follow. Apparently not enough women actually want pockets to make that fashion financially worthwhile at scale? Re Iran - you don’t think a man dressed out of line (eg drag) would be killed?
    - emmelaich 3y ago
      Actually Iran has a pretty interesting attitude to the androgynous and masculine and feminine roles. Not saying they wouldn't face violence in the street. Also ... > After Maryam Khatoon’s inquiry, Ayatollah Khomeini issued a legal opinion, known as a fatwa under Shi’a Islamic jurisprudence, asserting the permissibility of GAS [gender affirmation surgery] upon medical approval. Trans women’s status in contemporary Iran: Misrecognition and the cultural politics of aberu https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/13634607231200552?icid=int.sj-abstract.citing-articles.3 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/13634607231200552?i...
      - 3y ago
jokethrowaway 3y ago
It contrasts my experience but ours are just vain generalisations. Men tends to have less clothes but higher quality (and they wear a lot) while women tend to have thousands of clothes they wear once. I can survive with 2-3 suits (in the 300-500 range, decent quality, but nothing crazy) in any major city in Europe and some shirts - which is what I did for years. Now, times are changing security wise and, while I would still wear a suit in London (it seems pretty common), I wouldn't in Paris - mainly because I've been attacked twice over 2 days of walking in Paris with a suit and I think wearing some baggy jumper would have meade me less of a target. I have no clue about the states, but I'm sure there are no go area for suits there as well.
- makeitdouble 3y ago
  On Paris...suits don't have the same cultural meaning, but baggy jumpers might not keep you out of trouble. I think muggers just smell the money and vulnerability. Local people also get mugged /pickpocketed in some circumstances, but in general they have a distinctly different way of moving through the city that makes strangers stand out.
  - EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 3y ago
    >>distinctly different way of moving through the city Yeah, on a bycicle moving at 50 km/h across lanes.
    - makeitdouble 3y ago
      You gotta give it to Parisians that they stand their ground on the car vs others battle. One the factor that made it easier to accept Paris closing a bunch of streets to cars was that it was already an utter chaos and cars where crawling at peak hours. Biking was an actual fast option, and people sure did get the message.

by nequo 3y ago

Aaargh20318 3y ago

Isn’t women’s clothing notoriously low-quality due to the whole ‘fast fashion’ phenomenon?

jjeaff 3y ago
I've never heard of fast fashion being attributed to just women's clothing. There are plenty of men's clothing options at stores like Zara and Uniqlo
- KptMarchewa 3y ago
  And I wouldn't call Uniqlo "notoriously low-quality".
- makeitdouble 3y ago
  To chime on sister comment, Uniqlo has a sub-brand ("GU") for cheaper clothing. Fast fashion isn't women exclusive, but the fashion cycle is so much shorter for women that the very notion of fashion being "fast" almost only makes sense for them *. I actually wonder what fashion style a woman could get away with wearing for 10 years. It would probably need to be almost monotone, covering, and with little to no affordance. A white long straight skirt with a black or cream T shaped top ? * There will be a non negligeable number of men also caring about fashion and follow a shorter cycle, but that's far from the norm.
- kbelder 3y ago
  Sure, but you're talking about a fraction of woman, and a tiny fraction of men. The effect size is not equivalent.
nequo 3y ago
The same brands carry more colorful clothes for women than for men. I don’t suppose that their offerings for men are higher quality than their offerings for women.

debacle 3y ago

What men and women find attractive are wildly different, especially when it comes to first impressions.

Jensson 3y ago

Men wouldn't buy pants without good pockets, yet women prefers them so much that it is hard to find pants with good pockets for women. Only reason to have shitty pockets is that it makes the pants look a tiny bit better from the outside, but that tiny improvement in looks was enough to make women buy it instead. So yeah, I'd argue that women and men do look at significantly different things when they make purchases.

DFHippie 3y ago
Plenty of women complain about the lack of pockets in women's pants. I think women feel others' judgment about their clothing choices more sharply than men do. This isn't a personality quirk. The condemnation comes down harder on them. Look at what is happening in Iran. Women are being killed for how they choose to dress. So if women make different choices, don't ascribe this entirely to differences in their personality. They face different constraints.
- xyzelement 3y ago
  Not sure I follow. Apparently not enough women actually want pockets to make that fashion financially worthwhile at scale? Re Iran - you don’t think a man dressed out of line (eg drag) would be killed?
  - emmelaich 3y ago
    Actually Iran has a pretty interesting attitude to the androgynous and masculine and feminine roles. Not saying they wouldn't face violence in the street. Also ... > After Maryam Khatoon’s inquiry, Ayatollah Khomeini issued a legal opinion, known as a fatwa under Shi’a Islamic jurisprudence, asserting the permissibility of GAS [gender affirmation surgery] upon medical approval. Trans women’s status in contemporary Iran: Misrecognition and the cultural politics of aberu https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/13634607231200552?icid=int.sj-abstract.citing-articles.3 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/13634607231200552?i...
    - 3y ago

jokethrowaway 3y ago

It contrasts my experience but ours are just vain generalisations. Men tends to have less clothes but higher quality (and they wear a lot) while women tend to have thousands of clothes they wear once. I can survive with 2-3 suits (in the 300-500 range, decent quality, but nothing crazy) in any major city in Europe and some shirts - which is what I did for years. Now, times are changing security wise and, while I would still wear a suit in London (it seems pretty common), I wouldn't in Paris - mainly because I've been attacked twice over 2 days of walking in Paris with a suit and I think wearing some baggy jumper would have meade me less of a target. I have no clue about the states, but I'm sure there are no go area for suits there as well.

makeitdouble 3y ago
On Paris...suits don't have the same cultural meaning, but baggy jumpers might not keep you out of trouble. I think muggers just smell the money and vulnerability. Local people also get mugged /pickpocketed in some circumstances, but in general they have a distinctly different way of moving through the city that makes strangers stand out.
- EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 3y ago
  >>distinctly different way of moving through the city Yeah, on a bycicle moving at 50 km/h across lanes.
  - makeitdouble 3y ago
    You gotta give it to Parisians that they stand their ground on the car vs others battle. One the factor that made it easier to accept Paris closing a bunch of streets to cars was that it was already an utter chaos and cars where crawling at peak hours. Biking was an actual fast option, and people sure did get the message.