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This is a kind of theory that would apply equally to social signaling for both men and women. The linked article is talking about how there was an interesting p

by kixiQu 3y ago

This is a kind of theory that would apply equally to social signaling for both men and women. The linked article is talking about how there was an interesting phenomenon shifting men's clothing, but not women's.

Jensson 3y ago
All you need is that men didn't change, men had the same things in mind when choosing clothes hundreds of years ago as today. We see toady most men chooses clothes based on quality and utility. Why do you think men didn't do it back then? The main thing that changed was that back then high quality clothes were gaudy and colored, now they aren't.
- makeitdouble 3y ago
  > quality and utility Quality, perhaps. Utility ? I don't know. Has a dress shirt more utility than a t-shirt, or a business suit more utility than a knitted cardigan ? I think men still primarily aiming at looks and there's a lot of thoughts in the details, but not in the flamboyant and ultra expressive direction. I'd argue a lot of attention is paid to express restrain and non gay (in both the traditional and modern meaning) in so many ways, even at the cost of utility and comfort.
  - Jensson 3y ago
    Men seems to care about uniforms, I think that is the primary way men care about looks. The name "uniform" explains why all suits looks the same, its because they are a uniform. Women doesn't seem to want uniforms, they want to look different from each other, so you see a wide range of dress styles for women.
    - rsynnott 3y ago
      > Men seems to care about uniforms, I think that is the primary way men care about looks. The name "uniform" explains why all suits looks the same, its because they are a uniform. But most men don't wear suits anymore, or any sort of uniform. You seem to be trying to read this as something _innate_, but it is clearly fashion.
- rsynnott 3y ago
  > We see toady most men chooses clothes based on quality and utility. Eh, no. They choose them based on fashion; it's just that the fashion has changed (and continues to change; suits are generally in decline, say, and I suspect covid has dealt a mortal blow to the tie).

by kixiQu 3y ago

Jensson 3y ago

All you need is that men didn't change, men had the same things in mind when choosing clothes hundreds of years ago as today. We see toady most men chooses clothes based on quality and utility. Why do you think men didn't do it back then? The main thing that changed was that back then high quality clothes were gaudy and colored, now they aren't.

makeitdouble 3y ago
> quality and utility Quality, perhaps. Utility ? I don't know. Has a dress shirt more utility than a t-shirt, or a business suit more utility than a knitted cardigan ? I think men still primarily aiming at looks and there's a lot of thoughts in the details, but not in the flamboyant and ultra expressive direction. I'd argue a lot of attention is paid to express restrain and non gay (in both the traditional and modern meaning) in so many ways, even at the cost of utility and comfort.
- Jensson 3y ago
  Men seems to care about uniforms, I think that is the primary way men care about looks. The name "uniform" explains why all suits looks the same, its because they are a uniform. Women doesn't seem to want uniforms, they want to look different from each other, so you see a wide range of dress styles for women.
  - rsynnott 3y ago
    > Men seems to care about uniforms, I think that is the primary way men care about looks. The name "uniform" explains why all suits looks the same, its because they are a uniform. But most men don't wear suits anymore, or any sort of uniform. You seem to be trying to read this as something _innate_, but it is clearly fashion.
rsynnott 3y ago
> We see toady most men chooses clothes based on quality and utility. Eh, no. They choose them based on fashion; it's just that the fashion has changed (and continues to change; suits are generally in decline, say, and I suspect covid has dealt a mortal blow to the tie).