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This is not really a good argument, there are many things that kill a lot of people , The manner and type of lives lost is important also the nature of impact.

This is not really a good argument, there are many things that kill a lot of people , The manner and type of lives lost is important also the nature of impact. People aren’t dying very young with tobacco addiction for the most part. There is cancer in youth sure , but tobacco is not the leading cause of that . People who die of tobacco related illnesses are functioning adults and contributing members of society for the vast majority of their lives . The disruption to the lives of drug addicts and their friends and family far exceeds those faced by tobacco addicts. Not everything is a conspiracy or corruption people only react to what they see, the impact of drugs is far more visceral and immediate than tobacco or say obesity which kills even more, so pressure for legislation is higher If tobacco killed because the of one wrongly cut cigarette you smoked , it would require prescription too

221qqwe 3y ago
Do people die from prescription opioids that often? I assumed that most of the deaths occur when people who are addicted lose access to legal sources and are forced to buy illegally (so risk of overdose and other complications is much higher)?
- trimethylpurine 3y ago
  Interesting theory. I would guess that's rare and that more often than not, people are overdosing on prescriptions that they lied to obtain and then abused, or purchased on the street from someone who received the prescriptions but didn't need them. I'm speaking from personal experiences, but of course, it's anecdotal.
- manquer 3y ago
  That is exactly why legal sources which are prescription exists, because it is easy to kill oneself by taking a illegal pill of unknown quality, such risks are not common with tobacco. The regulation is a function of that, not how many people are killed by one item or other, it is merely just how easy is it die of OD with a poorly sourced drug, is why we have FDA and regulations etc is my point.
sneak 3y ago
> there are many things that kill a lot of people The FDA doesn't have jurisdiction over "many things". I personally think the FDA shouldn't exist, or should not have power to regulate (and should be a toothless advisory/certification authority). That said, if they are to exist, they should do their job. They're not. We're paying the bill but not getting the service. Same goes with OSHA. Every casino in Las Vegas demands their employees work in rooms filled with tobacco smoke. Why? Money. It's pure corruption. We have the rules, they're just not enforced, because if you have enough cash flow, you get a special carve-out so that the rules that apply to everyone else don't apply to you. Big Tobacco gets it from the FDA. Big Telecom gets it from the FCC. Boeing gets it from the FAA. It's everywhere, and once you see it, you can't unsee it. We're paying billions and billions for these huge bureaucracies and they're only pretending to provide us with the service they exist to provide.
- pixl97 3y ago
  Ah a very libertarian take, I don't think we should have rules, of course until you're personally affected and then you'll demand them.
  - sneak 3y ago
    How did you get “I don’t think we should have rules” from my multi-paragraph comment complaining about how the rules we have are not enforced when and where it matters?
    - verall 3y ago
      It's the "I personally think the FDA and OSHA should not exist part" which makes me get "I don’t think we should have rules" from your comment.
      - sneak 3y ago
        Rules are critically important. We shouldn’t be paying the government to enforce them, because they aren’t, and such money is basically just being lit on fire.

221qqwe 3y ago

Do people die from prescription opioids that often? I assumed that most of the deaths occur when people who are addicted lose access to legal sources and are forced to buy illegally (so risk of overdose and other complications is much higher)?

trimethylpurine 3y ago
Interesting theory. I would guess that's rare and that more often than not, people are overdosing on prescriptions that they lied to obtain and then abused, or purchased on the street from someone who received the prescriptions but didn't need them. I'm speaking from personal experiences, but of course, it's anecdotal.
manquer 3y ago
That is exactly why legal sources which are prescription exists, because it is easy to kill oneself by taking a illegal pill of unknown quality, such risks are not common with tobacco. The regulation is a function of that, not how many people are killed by one item or other, it is merely just how easy is it die of OD with a poorly sourced drug, is why we have FDA and regulations etc is my point.

sneak 3y ago

> there are many things that kill a lot of people The FDA doesn't have jurisdiction over "many things". I personally think the FDA shouldn't exist, or should not have power to regulate (and should be a toothless advisory/certification authority). That said, if they are to exist, they should do their job. They're not. We're paying the bill but not getting the service. Same goes with OSHA. Every casino in Las Vegas demands their employees work in rooms filled with tobacco smoke. Why? Money. It's pure corruption. We have the rules, they're just not enforced, because if you have enough cash flow, you get a special carve-out so that the rules that apply to everyone else don't apply to you. Big Tobacco gets it from the FDA. Big Telecom gets it from the FCC. Boeing gets it from the FAA. It's everywhere, and once you see it, you can't unsee it. We're paying billions and billions for these huge bureaucracies and they're only pretending to provide us with the service they exist to provide.

pixl97 3y ago
Ah a very libertarian take, I don't think we should have rules, of course until you're personally affected and then you'll demand them.
- sneak 3y ago
  How did you get “I don’t think we should have rules” from my multi-paragraph comment complaining about how the rules we have are not enforced when and where it matters?
  - verall 3y ago
    It's the "I personally think the FDA and OSHA should not exist part" which makes me get "I don’t think we should have rules" from your comment.
    - sneak 3y ago
      Rules are critically important. We shouldn’t be paying the government to enforce them, because they aren’t, and such money is basically just being lit on fire.