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it appears that some people disagree with my comment. but i do not understand why. am i misunderstanding what conservatism is? or do people disagree with the
by em-bee 3y ago
it appears that some people disagree with my comment. but i do not understand why.
am i misunderstanding what conservatism is?
or do people disagree with the idea of equality between men and women?
or with the idea that valuing family more would be better?
- fisttrain 3y ago[flagged]
- em-bee 3y agook, fair enough. would it help to elaborate on the points? let me try: by more family values i mean: value family more. that implies better financial support and less taxes for having children, parental leave, counseling and other measures that help parents stay together. but also raising the image of being a parent in society in general. religious conservatism refers to older family values where the woman submits to man among other things as is mentioned in other comments in this subthread. equality between men and women means equal value and station. a lot has improved in that area, but it's not quite there yet. we also need to learn to respect each other equally, especially in a relationship. equal value and station doesn't just mean equal rights or equal pay for the same work, but also equal importance of their contribution, their wishes and their needs, regardless of who is doing what in a family. the last claim that religions conservatism drives divorces, again is supported by other comments
- fisttrain 3y agoi hate to be that guy but... source?
- em-bee 3y agosource for what specifically? more family support? compare the support for parents available in the US vs most other countries in the world, in particular the EU and read the comments here. equality between men and women? again, there is plenty of evidence worldwide that we have not achieved that. not by a long shot. the only thing that is not self-evident is the relationship between religious conservatism and divorce. that's one i am not sure about myself. but it is at least supported by a few others here. here is one study supporting that point: https://www.asanet.org/women-more-likely-men-initiate-divorces-not-non-marital-breakups/ https://www.asanet.org/women-more-likely-men-initiate-divorc... results support the feminist assertion that some women experience heterosexual marriage as oppressive or uncomfortable. “I think that marriage as an institution has been a little bit slow to catch up with expectations for gender equality,”
- fisttrain 3y agoI am not arguing with you; I am simply pointing out the flaws in your previous argument.
- em-bee 3y agoI am not arguing with you reading emotions in text messages being difficult as it is, it would be helpful to point that out up front. it helps avoid a wrong reading. to me these points are more or less self evident, but it is fair to point out that not everyone may see it that way, so thanks for prompting me to elaborate.
- fisttrain 3y agoI appreciate your perspective, although I must express my continued disagreement. It is evident that I perceive a bias in the source material. (i love arguing)
- em-bee 3y agowith which point though? i admit that the for last one about divorces caused by lack of equality more evidence would be good. but the other two are solid. if you have a different opinion on those, i'd love to hear it.
- fisttrain 3y agoyou said it yourself; The statement about divorces caused by a lack of equality lacks evidence.
- em-bee 3y agoa response to this comment has been flagged, which hides further responses to that comment that you may want to read: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37980225 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37980225