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The best developers in Europe move to the US at the first opportunity. You have to be really patriotic to not take a 3x raise. An interesting aspect of Europe

by fooker 3y ago

The best developers in Europe move to the US at the first opportunity. You have to be really patriotic to not take a 3x raise. An interesting aspect of European salaries is that the best doesn't get too much more than the median. This leaves Germany and others with mediocre devs (in general, of course there would be exceptions.)

f1shy 3y ago
Yes! Absolutely this is a problem. The 3x factor is very real. Of course you have to still factor in the medical insurance, and evtl. University tuition, if you have kids. But even with that, you are looking at 2x effective.
- fooker 3y ago
  Most jobs cover full medical insurance. And smart kids usually get very decent scholarships.
hutzlibu 3y ago
"in general, of course there would be exceptions" Yeah, those who don't want to leave friends and family behind, just for the money.
- fooker 3y ago
  Most people wouldn't, for a 30% raise. For a 300% raise though, you have to have really good friends for this to make sense. And hopefully, your friends feel the same about you.
  - hutzlibu 3y ago
    If it would be 300% raise and everything else equal, then yes. But I for example am not a big car fan. Europe is a bit better in that regard. Also vacation days, criminality, the whole work life balance, how would be the new work position(much more stress and pressure, office politics), child care, schools, etc. Uprooting ones existence has to be worth it and money can make up for something, but not everything.
- f1shy 3y ago
  I have moved continent. You do not leave friends. If anything, it helps to have even better relations. There is this thing today called internet… family; well that is different. You loose something. But 3x I’m considering it. Is just that moving yet again, after 10 years… is hard. BTW if you know somebody of those, who can decently code, let me know… because I do not find them!!!
  - hutzlibu 3y ago
    On the other hand, I know some families torn apart over continents. Father in canada, mother in germany. Internet helps only so much for the kids ... in general, relocating with family is a different thing. All of those involved would have to find a new home, friends, etc. that is quite different to moving, when you on your own. "BTW if you know somebody of those, who can decently code, let me know… because I do not find them!!!" And depending on what you are looking for and what you can offer, I would be willing to relocate, if the conditions are right. Email is in my profile.

by fooker 3y ago

f1shy 3y ago

Yes! Absolutely this is a problem. The 3x factor is very real. Of course you have to still factor in the medical insurance, and evtl. University tuition, if you have kids. But even with that, you are looking at 2x effective.

fooker 3y ago
Most jobs cover full medical insurance. And smart kids usually get very decent scholarships.

hutzlibu 3y ago

"in general, of course there would be exceptions" Yeah, those who don't want to leave friends and family behind, just for the money.

fooker 3y ago
Most people wouldn't, for a 30% raise. For a 300% raise though, you have to have really good friends for this to make sense. And hopefully, your friends feel the same about you.
- hutzlibu 3y ago
  If it would be 300% raise and everything else equal, then yes. But I for example am not a big car fan. Europe is a bit better in that regard. Also vacation days, criminality, the whole work life balance, how would be the new work position(much more stress and pressure, office politics), child care, schools, etc. Uprooting ones existence has to be worth it and money can make up for something, but not everything.
f1shy 3y ago
I have moved continent. You do not leave friends. If anything, it helps to have even better relations. There is this thing today called internet… family; well that is different. You loose something. But 3x I’m considering it. Is just that moving yet again, after 10 years… is hard. BTW if you know somebody of those, who can decently code, let me know… because I do not find them!!!
- hutzlibu 3y ago
  On the other hand, I know some families torn apart over continents. Father in canada, mother in germany. Internet helps only so much for the kids ... in general, relocating with family is a different thing. All of those involved would have to find a new home, friends, etc. that is quite different to moving, when you on your own. "BTW if you know somebody of those, who can decently code, let me know… because I do not find them!!!" And depending on what you are looking for and what you can offer, I would be willing to relocate, if the conditions are right. Email is in my profile.