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I learned to solder while building a keyboard and flashing IOT devices earlier this year, and can't recommend Pine64's Pinecil Soldering Iron highly enough (jus

I learned to solder while building a keyboard and flashing IOT devices earlier this year, and can't recommend Pine64's Pinecil Soldering Iron highly enough (just be sure to pick up a capable power-source while you're there). > The Pinecil is a smart mini portable soldering iron with a 32-bit RISC-V SoC featuring a sleek design, auto standby and it heats up to an operating temperature in just 12 seconds when paired with a sufficiently powerful power supply unit. > -- https://www.pine64.org/pinecil/ https://www.pine64.org/pinecil/

culopatin 3y ago
Why do I need a soldering iron with processing power?
- rhn_mk1 3y ago
  To let it turn off when you're not using it. It uses an inertial sensor.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    That doesn't explain it, though. You don't need a microcontroller for that. I suspect the real answer is "to minimize parts count".
    - rhn_mk1 3y ago
      Is there a fixed-function circuit that can read a digital value out of a sensor and compare it with a threshold? I'm not dounting it's possibly, but I'd be surprised if it's available without involving a Turing-complete computer.
      - JohnFen 3y ago
        Yes, there are tons of these sorts of circuits. It's something that is often needed, and these sorts of circuits have been used before ultra-cheap microcontrollers were a thing. A turing-complete computer is serious overkill for this sort of application. I'm not sure if there is a single-chip solution (although I'd be a bit surprised if there isn't), but the fundamental circuit isn't that ambitious. Using a very low-end microcontroller is likely less expensive, though.
- f1shy 3y ago
  A PID for keeping temperature.
- wongarsu 3y ago
  Your regular soldering station will also contain a microcontroller, same as a shocking amount of other tools. They can be incredibly cheap (a couple cents if you have enough volume), so even if you could do it with analog circuits they can be a reasonable solution. And of course this soldering iron comes with buttons and a display, so of course you use a microcontroller. But I guess what you are getting at is that normally you don't brag about the architecture of your microcontroller. As you correctly suspect, that's done just for coolness points. Chances are an 8 bit AVR or an 16 bit PIC could have done the same thing, but on a soldering iron you don't care about the power draw of the microcontroller, and a 32bit RISC-V fits Pine64's brand better. It's the equivalent of "aircraft-grade aluminum" or "military-strength encryption". Also the choice makes it easier to run Doom on it.
  - xjidjccudux 3y ago
    Regular soldering stations don't contain microcontrollers, they use a thermocouple to decide if the circuit should flow through the iron or not and some other smaller stuff to smooth out the temp gain / ensure the overshoot doesn't get too wild.
- mecsred 3y ago
  You don't. I can recommend my daily driver, a naturally aspirated charcoal furnace and several large blocks of copper.
noman-land 3y ago
Pinecil is surprisingly excellent. I bought it on a lark and was shocked at how fast it heats up and cools down. I'm talking a few seconds to get to temp. I don't do a lot of serious soldering but but I do I rarely bust out the Weller now that I have this little thing. I happily use it while plugged into my laptop charger.
opan 3y ago
I had basically the same experience. Got a Pinecil and built a keyboard. Love the thing, and would highly recommend it. Has also been great for modding and repairing Game Boys, Xbox 360s, GameCubes, etc. The default tip on the Pinecil v1 is my most-used, and very capable, but I've also gotten a lot of use from the finer tip cone as well as the chisel tip. I got the v2 iron as well, but still mostly use my v1. Still works great, and I guess I built up some trust with it that makes me reach for it first.

culopatin 3y ago

Why do I need a soldering iron with processing power?

rhn_mk1 3y ago
To let it turn off when you're not using it. It uses an inertial sensor.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  That doesn't explain it, though. You don't need a microcontroller for that. I suspect the real answer is "to minimize parts count".
  - rhn_mk1 3y ago
    Is there a fixed-function circuit that can read a digital value out of a sensor and compare it with a threshold? I'm not dounting it's possibly, but I'd be surprised if it's available without involving a Turing-complete computer.
    - JohnFen 3y ago
      Yes, there are tons of these sorts of circuits. It's something that is often needed, and these sorts of circuits have been used before ultra-cheap microcontrollers were a thing. A turing-complete computer is serious overkill for this sort of application. I'm not sure if there is a single-chip solution (although I'd be a bit surprised if there isn't), but the fundamental circuit isn't that ambitious. Using a very low-end microcontroller is likely less expensive, though.
f1shy 3y ago
A PID for keeping temperature.
wongarsu 3y ago
Your regular soldering station will also contain a microcontroller, same as a shocking amount of other tools. They can be incredibly cheap (a couple cents if you have enough volume), so even if you could do it with analog circuits they can be a reasonable solution. And of course this soldering iron comes with buttons and a display, so of course you use a microcontroller. But I guess what you are getting at is that normally you don't brag about the architecture of your microcontroller. As you correctly suspect, that's done just for coolness points. Chances are an 8 bit AVR or an 16 bit PIC could have done the same thing, but on a soldering iron you don't care about the power draw of the microcontroller, and a 32bit RISC-V fits Pine64's brand better. It's the equivalent of "aircraft-grade aluminum" or "military-strength encryption". Also the choice makes it easier to run Doom on it.
- xjidjccudux 3y ago
  Regular soldering stations don't contain microcontrollers, they use a thermocouple to decide if the circuit should flow through the iron or not and some other smaller stuff to smooth out the temp gain / ensure the overshoot doesn't get too wild.
mecsred 3y ago
You don't. I can recommend my daily driver, a naturally aspirated charcoal furnace and several large blocks of copper.

noman-land 3y ago

Pinecil is surprisingly excellent. I bought it on a lark and was shocked at how fast it heats up and cools down. I'm talking a few seconds to get to temp. I don't do a lot of serious soldering but but I do I rarely bust out the Weller now that I have this little thing. I happily use it while plugged into my laptop charger.

opan 3y ago

I had basically the same experience. Got a Pinecil and built a keyboard. Love the thing, and would highly recommend it. Has also been great for modding and repairing Game Boys, Xbox 360s, GameCubes, etc. The default tip on the Pinecil v1 is my most-used, and very capable, but I've also gotten a lot of use from the finer tip cone as well as the chisel tip. I got the v2 iron as well, but still mostly use my v1. Still works great, and I guess I built up some trust with it that makes me reach for it first.