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> The government needs to take charge of insurance like we have in the UK Let's compare outcomes. Do you personally think the healthcare received by the averag

> The government needs to take charge of insurance like we have in the UK Let's compare outcomes. Do you personally think the healthcare received by the average UK citizen is better than the US? It is easy to whinge about the problems. It is hard to find solutions. For all the glaring deficits of the US systems - maybe it works okay? Democracy is the worst system... I'm in NZ. The public healthcare system has its benefits but it definitely has its costs (I've recently been dealing with expensive private healthcare providers in a situation where the public system wasn't achieving the outcomes we needed).

fzeroracer 3y ago
> Let's compare outcomes. Do you personally think the healthcare received by the average UK citizen is better than the US? It is easy to whinge about the problems. It is hard to find solutions. For all the glaring deficits of the US systems - maybe it works okay? Democracy is the worst system... Our life expectancy is falling (and is worse than the UK), people are afraid to go to the hospital because of bankruptcy and we pay far more than other nations on healthcare. In all aspects of outcome our healthcare system costs more for less. The only exception is if you're extremely wealthy, and the gap between wealthy and not has widened. I, as a fairly well-off software engineer could be bankrupted by healthcare costs if a hospital decides I'm out of network during an emergency.
verteu 3y ago
It seems the US compares quite poorly in life expectancy and rankings by experts. It does better in cancer survival rates (but the data seems old). - https://www.internationalinsurance.com/health/systems/ https://www.internationalinsurance.com/health/systems/ - https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/ https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality... - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_quality_of_healthcare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_quality_o... - https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/best-healthcare-in-the-world https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/best-heal...
- HDThoreaun 3y ago
  The US also has a huge uninsured population and a 50% higher obesity rate. Life expectancy tells us nothing about healthcare quality without correcting for confounders.
  - robocat 3y ago
    What are the top five factors for life expectancy? How active you are? Dietary choices? Your childhood? Bad life choices? Drugs, fast cars, unsafe activities? Work environment? Shift work, lung exposure to harms? What percentage of life expectancy is due to good healthcare? Noticably we can get some extra years at the end, but they can be low quality years. High quality years come from your context and life choices outside of doctoring.
lmm 3y ago
> Do you personally think the healthcare received by the average UK citizen is better than the US? Objectively it is. Average US healthcare outcomes are towards the bottom end of industrialized countries, comparable to Czechia or Turkey. And they pay a hell of a lot more for it. US outcomes for "I can pay as much as it takes" wealthy people are very good - but they're very good in the UK too (private medicine does exist in the UK, it's just not very popular because why waste money on something you can get for free?).

fzeroracer 3y ago

> Let's compare outcomes. Do you personally think the healthcare received by the average UK citizen is better than the US? It is easy to whinge about the problems. It is hard to find solutions. For all the glaring deficits of the US systems - maybe it works okay? Democracy is the worst system... Our life expectancy is falling (and is worse than the UK), people are afraid to go to the hospital because of bankruptcy and we pay far more than other nations on healthcare. In all aspects of outcome our healthcare system costs more for less. The only exception is if you're extremely wealthy, and the gap between wealthy and not has widened. I, as a fairly well-off software engineer could be bankrupted by healthcare costs if a hospital decides I'm out of network during an emergency.

verteu 3y ago

It seems the US compares quite poorly in life expectancy and rankings by experts. It does better in cancer survival rates (but the data seems old). - https://www.internationalinsurance.com/health/systems/ https://www.internationalinsurance.com/health/systems/ - https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/ https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality... - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_quality_of_healthcare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_quality_o... - https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/best-healthcare-in-the-world https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/best-heal...

HDThoreaun 3y ago
The US also has a huge uninsured population and a 50% higher obesity rate. Life expectancy tells us nothing about healthcare quality without correcting for confounders.
- robocat 3y ago
  What are the top five factors for life expectancy? How active you are? Dietary choices? Your childhood? Bad life choices? Drugs, fast cars, unsafe activities? Work environment? Shift work, lung exposure to harms? What percentage of life expectancy is due to good healthcare? Noticably we can get some extra years at the end, but they can be low quality years. High quality years come from your context and life choices outside of doctoring.

lmm 3y ago

> Do you personally think the healthcare received by the average UK citizen is better than the US? Objectively it is. Average US healthcare outcomes are towards the bottom end of industrialized countries, comparable to Czechia or Turkey. And they pay a hell of a lot more for it. US outcomes for "I can pay as much as it takes" wealthy people are very good - but they're very good in the UK too (private medicine does exist in the UK, it's just not very popular because why waste money on something you can get for free?).