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Entrepreneurism seems under-represented: most of the responses seem to be inheritance or stock investments. I'm wondering if that reflects on the reddit communi

Entrepreneurism seems under-represented: most of the responses seem to be inheritance or stock investments. I'm wondering if that reflects on the reddit community makeup, the type of people who would answer this question, or just that growing a successful startup is really hard / rare.

eli_gottlieb 15y ago
9/10 start-ups fail, just like most other forms of new business. I believe we could apply Bayes' Law here...
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- jaxn 15y ago
  That is crazy talk. The rate for small businesses as a whole is around 50% failure within the first 5 years. There are exceptions to that rule and ways to increase the odds. As an example, 90% of franchise businesses are still running after 5 years.
  - carguy1983 15y ago
    Anecdata: Walk down a main commercial street in any large metropolis and count the number of completely unviable businesses (these are the ones that turn over their real estate every few months). These are further polluting the statistics.
    - jaxn 15y ago
      I am not knowledgeable enough to know whether or not a business is viable just from looking in the storefront. Though I would argue that as the owner of two retail locations, I am probably better equipped to make that judgement than most. In my experience, most retail leases are for 5 year terms. I can't imagine that the default rate on those is anywhere near 50%. Most business "failures" likely never got far enough to sign a lease.
      - carguy1983 15y ago
        My gist was you don't have to be able to know, just walk down the street, then walk down the same street 6 months later, and many of the shops will have changed.
    - Gormo 15y ago
      If you're just looking at storefronts, how do you know what's viable and what isn't without making assumptions? Looking at real estate turnover tells you something about the location - and what businesses are appropriate for it - but doesn't tell you much about the viability of any particular business model.
  - netcan 15y ago
    There are a lot of stupid numbers flying around. The problem is defining "business" & "failure." Some businesses are only meant to last a couple of years. Lots of owners start several businesses and eventually focus on one. Most numbers you hear are based on the number of businesses registered & renewed/not renewed, a terrible way of measuring both these things.
  - rprasad 15y ago
    Jaxn's data isn't anecdotal -- those numbers were reported in the WSJ earlier this year in an article on franchising.
    - jaxn 15y ago
      That's true. They are also in my deck ;)
- ken 15y ago
  But that doesn't mean 9/10 of startup founders fail. Most of the successful startups I know today are not the founder's first startup. Everybody says doing a startup, even (especially?) if it fails, is extremely educational. The most common pattern I see is doing a startup, failing, but learning enough about how to do it right, and then trying again and having moderate success with #2 or #3. 9/10 of startups failing could be explained by "virtually all first-time startups fail, and 9/10 founders give up after their first failure, and those that stick with it, succeed". That would actually be rather encouraging. Almost nobody I know working for a big company is working for their first big company, so you could also say "9/10 of all employments fail", but that's hardly an indictment of employment.
  - sliverstorm 15y ago
    Yes, but much as 9/10 employees won't ever make 7 figures, 9/10 startup founders won't ever cash out for 7 figures. Plus, in a cycle of invest-boom-invest-bust, your previous successes can be wiped out, making stable growth more difficult.
forgottenpaswrd 15y ago
Entrepreneurs won't spend their time reading reddit. If they do they won't reply to those questions. I have friends that are terrible rich by earning it and the first thing they learn is that life is better when few people know about it. (Thieves, kidnappers and envious get out of your life). They life normal lives. Those that inherit, well, that is another story.
smackfu 15y ago
Net worth when you are talking about businesses gets interesting too, since it's actual assets rather than savings like an individual has. And business assets tend to be much more volatile than savings... many more million dollar businesses have gone bankrupt than million dollar people.
veguss 15y ago
You know the saying? Lottery is for people who are bad at math. Well, same for startups. The odds are so against you you might as well play the lottery.
- astrofinch 15y ago
  What's your citation?
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paulhauggis 15y ago
Reddit is mostly anti-capitalist and anti-business (aside from some subreddits). I imagine many have been turned off by this sort of community ages ago.

eli_gottlieb 15y ago

9/10 start-ups fail, just like most other forms of new business. I believe we could apply Bayes' Law here...

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jaxn 15y ago
That is crazy talk. The rate for small businesses as a whole is around 50% failure within the first 5 years. There are exceptions to that rule and ways to increase the odds. As an example, 90% of franchise businesses are still running after 5 years.
- carguy1983 15y ago
  Anecdata: Walk down a main commercial street in any large metropolis and count the number of completely unviable businesses (these are the ones that turn over their real estate every few months). These are further polluting the statistics.
  - jaxn 15y ago
    I am not knowledgeable enough to know whether or not a business is viable just from looking in the storefront. Though I would argue that as the owner of two retail locations, I am probably better equipped to make that judgement than most. In my experience, most retail leases are for 5 year terms. I can't imagine that the default rate on those is anywhere near 50%. Most business "failures" likely never got far enough to sign a lease.
    - carguy1983 15y ago
      My gist was you don't have to be able to know, just walk down the street, then walk down the same street 6 months later, and many of the shops will have changed.
  - Gormo 15y ago
    If you're just looking at storefronts, how do you know what's viable and what isn't without making assumptions? Looking at real estate turnover tells you something about the location - and what businesses are appropriate for it - but doesn't tell you much about the viability of any particular business model.
- netcan 15y ago
  There are a lot of stupid numbers flying around. The problem is defining "business" & "failure." Some businesses are only meant to last a couple of years. Lots of owners start several businesses and eventually focus on one. Most numbers you hear are based on the number of businesses registered & renewed/not renewed, a terrible way of measuring both these things.
- rprasad 15y ago
  Jaxn's data isn't anecdotal -- those numbers were reported in the WSJ earlier this year in an article on franchising.
  - jaxn 15y ago
    That's true. They are also in my deck ;)
ken 15y ago
But that doesn't mean 9/10 of startup founders fail. Most of the successful startups I know today are not the founder's first startup. Everybody says doing a startup, even (especially?) if it fails, is extremely educational. The most common pattern I see is doing a startup, failing, but learning enough about how to do it right, and then trying again and having moderate success with #2 or #3. 9/10 of startups failing could be explained by "virtually all first-time startups fail, and 9/10 founders give up after their first failure, and those that stick with it, succeed". That would actually be rather encouraging. Almost nobody I know working for a big company is working for their first big company, so you could also say "9/10 of all employments fail", but that's hardly an indictment of employment.
- sliverstorm 15y ago
  Yes, but much as 9/10 employees won't ever make 7 figures, 9/10 startup founders won't ever cash out for 7 figures. Plus, in a cycle of invest-boom-invest-bust, your previous successes can be wiped out, making stable growth more difficult.

forgottenpaswrd 15y ago

Entrepreneurs won't spend their time reading reddit. If they do they won't reply to those questions. I have friends that are terrible rich by earning it and the first thing they learn is that life is better when few people know about it. (Thieves, kidnappers and envious get out of your life). They life normal lives. Those that inherit, well, that is another story.

smackfu 15y ago

Net worth when you are talking about businesses gets interesting too, since it's actual assets rather than savings like an individual has. And business assets tend to be much more volatile than savings... many more million dollar businesses have gone bankrupt than million dollar people.

veguss 15y ago

You know the saying? Lottery is for people who are bad at math. Well, same for startups. The odds are so against you you might as well play the lottery.

astrofinch 15y ago
What's your citation?

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paulhauggis 15y ago

Reddit is mostly anti-capitalist and anti-business (aside from some subreddits). I imagine many have been turned off by this sort of community ages ago.