Yes, exactly. As a manager when I've pushed back on estimates it was because the engineers were pushing for "done properly". Where "done properly" didn't mean

Yes, exactly. As a manager when I've pushed back on estimates it was because the engineers were pushing for "done properly". Where "done properly" didn't mean more features but building a more solid foundation. And I 100% understood the desire, but at a higher level the long term cost of not having that solid foundation was worth incurring. Requiring both "fast" and "good" is foolish.