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Vegan argument is so silly as if meat industry just spun up overnight and only reason people consume delicious and nutritious animal products is because they ca

Vegan argument is so silly as if meat industry just spun up overnight and only reason people consume delicious and nutritious animal products is because they can but them in sanitized packaging. I hope you also aren’t buying consumer electronics because then you are literally putting animals ahead of humans. Or is that too inconvenient for you and you actually like the cognitive dissonance after all

mrtksn 3y ago
I'm puzzled why people are so triggered by the vegan thing. That's not the point. Or maybe it is, maybe the meat eaters culture war is based on the idea of the virtue of eating meat and they get very angry when someone points out that actual animals are being killed, like cut with a knife then let to bleed out then seperated into pieces and shipped to the consumers in a package that doesn't look like an animal that was minding its own business a few days ago? I don't go a day without eating meat but I don't get angry at vegans. Can you explain why are you so aggressive towards me? Is it maybe because, as George Carlin says, you don't want to face the reality of eating meat and I annoyed you by mentioning the source of meat? Why is it so hard to enjoy the pieces of a cow raised and killed(by sticking a knife in its throat, then hung upside down to bleed out) in industrial settings? Maybe the reason for this is the same as the soft language Carlin criticises? Maybe the soft language is a great human invention that lets us kill animal for meat, kill people for land and still feel good about it?
- salawat 3y ago
  You know, I apologize a bit, because I'm not even sure this answers any of your questions... But you should read Erewhon by Samuel Butler. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erewhon https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erewhon It was written way back when, but there is even a short section that deals with, ironically, animal rights, that then progresses to plant rights, and does some extrapolating on outcomes when these tendencies are scaled to the extreme, while being set in an environment that, for the time, takes some really scathing shots at the mores of the day which I can't honestly say haven't resurged back into relevance in my lifetime. I don't generally like just telling people to go read things, (nowadays it can feel like giving someone a "free puppy"). But something tells me it may speak to you, if you're willing to embark on the journey.
  - mrtksn 3y ago
    Thanks for the book suggestion, sounds like an interesting read.
- Aerbil313 3y ago
  > when someone points out that actual animals are being killed, like cut with a knife then let to bleed out then seperated into pieces and shipped to the consumers in a package that doesn't look like an animal that was minding its own business a few days ago? The argument is entirely emotional. Another person can say "I like killing animals for their meat because eating animal meat makes me feel good" and it will be equally valid, because neither are any valid, both arguments are entirely subjective. In fact all the people in all of history were pretty much enjoying killing other living beings with sharp tools, then let them to bleed out, then dice, slice, heat and eat them. Someone can even go on to say "I like the industrial cruel killing methods technological society employs because they allow me to eat meat for cheaper." It is equally valid as saying "Oh poor animals don't kill them!" I personally believe in Islam and thus believe animals are specifically created for humankind to benefit, thus it's both moral and fulfilling a purpose to kill and eat them. My faith also says that an animal must be killed in the traditional least-cruel way by a human, for it to be halal (permissible) to be eaten.
- nextlevelwizard 3y ago
  Because you usually lead with your best argument and when your first argument is complete non-sense what hope does rest of your argument have? Also there is no "meat eaters culture war", but vegas sure try to spark a war. Vegas used to try sell the health benefits of vegan life style, but that has been disproven so many times that now they (or you?) only have the moral angle to work with. You can try to twist this as much as you like, but the fact remains that (so far) no vegan product has been able to compete with meat in taste or texture. I simply do not care where the food comes from. Even if factory farming was outlawed today it would just mean I would pay more for my meat or if I had to slaughter it myself I would need to learn that skill, I am not going to give up on delicious meat products just because you can't sleep at night. There are so many other greater injustices in the world that caring about factory farming makes you kind of an asshole. But if you can show me a meat substitute that tastes and feels like meat in my mouth then I will switch to vegan in a heartbeat, because then your moral argument actually makes sense.
  - mrtksn 3y ago
    You really need to do something for your anger issues.
    - nextlevelwizard 3y ago
      OK, so you didn't have an argument after all. Thanks for playing.

mrtksn 3y ago

I'm puzzled why people are so triggered by the vegan thing. That's not the point. Or maybe it is, maybe the meat eaters culture war is based on the idea of the virtue of eating meat and they get very angry when someone points out that actual animals are being killed, like cut with a knife then let to bleed out then seperated into pieces and shipped to the consumers in a package that doesn't look like an animal that was minding its own business a few days ago? I don't go a day without eating meat but I don't get angry at vegans. Can you explain why are you so aggressive towards me? Is it maybe because, as George Carlin says, you don't want to face the reality of eating meat and I annoyed you by mentioning the source of meat? Why is it so hard to enjoy the pieces of a cow raised and killed(by sticking a knife in its throat, then hung upside down to bleed out) in industrial settings? Maybe the reason for this is the same as the soft language Carlin criticises? Maybe the soft language is a great human invention that lets us kill animal for meat, kill people for land and still feel good about it?

salawat 3y ago
You know, I apologize a bit, because I'm not even sure this answers any of your questions... But you should read Erewhon by Samuel Butler. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erewhon https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erewhon It was written way back when, but there is even a short section that deals with, ironically, animal rights, that then progresses to plant rights, and does some extrapolating on outcomes when these tendencies are scaled to the extreme, while being set in an environment that, for the time, takes some really scathing shots at the mores of the day which I can't honestly say haven't resurged back into relevance in my lifetime. I don't generally like just telling people to go read things, (nowadays it can feel like giving someone a "free puppy"). But something tells me it may speak to you, if you're willing to embark on the journey.
- mrtksn 3y ago
  Thanks for the book suggestion, sounds like an interesting read.
Aerbil313 3y ago
> when someone points out that actual animals are being killed, like cut with a knife then let to bleed out then seperated into pieces and shipped to the consumers in a package that doesn't look like an animal that was minding its own business a few days ago? The argument is entirely emotional. Another person can say "I like killing animals for their meat because eating animal meat makes me feel good" and it will be equally valid, because neither are any valid, both arguments are entirely subjective. In fact all the people in all of history were pretty much enjoying killing other living beings with sharp tools, then let them to bleed out, then dice, slice, heat and eat them. Someone can even go on to say "I like the industrial cruel killing methods technological society employs because they allow me to eat meat for cheaper." It is equally valid as saying "Oh poor animals don't kill them!" I personally believe in Islam and thus believe animals are specifically created for humankind to benefit, thus it's both moral and fulfilling a purpose to kill and eat them. My faith also says that an animal must be killed in the traditional least-cruel way by a human, for it to be halal (permissible) to be eaten.
nextlevelwizard 3y ago
Because you usually lead with your best argument and when your first argument is complete non-sense what hope does rest of your argument have? Also there is no "meat eaters culture war", but vegas sure try to spark a war. Vegas used to try sell the health benefits of vegan life style, but that has been disproven so many times that now they (or you?) only have the moral angle to work with. You can try to twist this as much as you like, but the fact remains that (so far) no vegan product has been able to compete with meat in taste or texture. I simply do not care where the food comes from. Even if factory farming was outlawed today it would just mean I would pay more for my meat or if I had to slaughter it myself I would need to learn that skill, I am not going to give up on delicious meat products just because you can't sleep at night. There are so many other greater injustices in the world that caring about factory farming makes you kind of an asshole. But if you can show me a meat substitute that tastes and feels like meat in my mouth then I will switch to vegan in a heartbeat, because then your moral argument actually makes sense.
- mrtksn 3y ago
  You really need to do something for your anger issues.
  - nextlevelwizard 3y ago
    OK, so you didn't have an argument after all. Thanks for playing.