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>> In the past that you're talking about, women were not allowed to be independent, i.e., own property or obtain jobs that could support a family. That is mayb

by nec4b 3y ago

>> In the past that you're talking about, women were not allowed to be independent, i.e., own property or obtain jobs that could support a family. That is maybe half true or not true at all. Women could own property and could be somewhat independent. Queen Elisabeth owned a whole country in the 16th century. In general not only women but men as well had a duty to their families and had to do what their parents demanded of them. And marriage was high on the list of things parents expected from their children whether they were male or female.

otteromkram 3y ago
I think the person you're replying to was using the US as context (given the theme of the article), but you are correct that in certain regions of the world, women's rights to property ownership and inheritance were protected.
lapcat 3y ago
> Queen Elisabeth owned a whole country in the 16th century. That's one women, and a strange example to cite, because my comment was in response to a discussion about the disparity of wealth ("kings and nobles had a similar wealth gap to their poorest married subjects as we see today between the 1% and the 99%). Obviously, queens have no trouble raising successful children, but that doesn't help anyone else in society. (It should be noted, however, that Elizabeth I was the so-called "Virgin Queen" who had no children.)
- nec4b 3y ago
  >> That's one women, and a strange example to cite Why? She an example of a very well known women completely in charge of a future empire in the 16th century. I thought it was clear there were also untold numbers of ordinary women who were also completely in charge of their own households from ancient times till modern age. It is kind of hard to give an example of a woman nobody would know.
  - lapcat 3y ago
    > I thought it was clear there were also untold numbers of ordinary women who were also completely in charge of their own households from ancient times till modern age. I don't think that's clear. As for recent history, here's some US labor force participation data from 1948 to the present. Notice the stark contrast at the beginning. https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2021/03/women-in-the-labor-force/ https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2021/03/women-in-the-labor-f...

by nec4b 3y ago

otteromkram 3y ago

I think the person you're replying to was using the US as context (given the theme of the article), but you are correct that in certain regions of the world, women's rights to property ownership and inheritance were protected.

lapcat 3y ago

> Queen Elisabeth owned a whole country in the 16th century. That's one women, and a strange example to cite, because my comment was in response to a discussion about the disparity of wealth ("kings and nobles had a similar wealth gap to their poorest married subjects as we see today between the 1% and the 99%). Obviously, queens have no trouble raising successful children, but that doesn't help anyone else in society. (It should be noted, however, that Elizabeth I was the so-called "Virgin Queen" who had no children.)

nec4b 3y ago
>> That's one women, and a strange example to cite Why? She an example of a very well known women completely in charge of a future empire in the 16th century. I thought it was clear there were also untold numbers of ordinary women who were also completely in charge of their own households from ancient times till modern age. It is kind of hard to give an example of a woman nobody would know.
- lapcat 3y ago
  > I thought it was clear there were also untold numbers of ordinary women who were also completely in charge of their own households from ancient times till modern age. I don't think that's clear. As for recent history, here's some US labor force participation data from 1948 to the present. Notice the stark contrast at the beginning. https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2021/03/women-in-the-labor-force/ https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2021/03/women-in-the-labor-f...