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It's a policy for us, and therefore an expectation, not a request. We also make sure that this isn't a surprise: everyone comes in knowing that we do this (an
by bcantrill 3y ago
It's a policy for us, and therefore an expectation, not a request. We also make sure that this isn't a surprise: everyone comes in knowing that we do this (and indeed, many new additions to the team have taken advantage of this by listening to past meetings to come up to speed).
- onli 3y agoKnow that this policy would be illegal in many jurisdictions, especially in the one I live in. Setting it up disqualifies you from being a global employer - at least in theory -, and it's also really unethical. Also workers have a right to their voice and can't be recorded by default. Have a written record of the meetings outcomes, that's what is actually useful.
- bcantrill 3y agoI emphatically disagree about it being "unethical" -- we view being recorded as a part of job function. I am also curious (and, frankly, skeptical) about the supposed illegality in your jurisdiction; where do you live?
- mccrory 3y agoThis would make call centers illegal in many many places as well as calling into those call centers wouldn’t it?
- bcantrill 3y agoYes! Anything that required recording as part of job function would be illegal, which I highly doubt is the case -- part of why I'm interested to get to specifics here...
- trogdor 3y agoI don’t think you’re going to get them.
- onli 3y agoSee the sibling comment.
- onli 3y agoSome specifics are in https://www.anwalt.de/rechtstipps/was-muessen-arbeitgeber-bei-fotos-videos-von-mitarbeitern-beachten_097536.html https://www.anwalt.de/rechtstipps/was-muessen-arbeitgeber-be.... This assumes you make video recordings of the meetings, then we are not only talking about the personal rights to the voice, but also to the picture. But similar rules would apply if you only take voice recordings, to my knowledge, it's just less documented. Of course you can have jobs where the voice recording is absolutely necessary, then it can be allowed by default. Or similarly, of course an actor will be recorded in sound and picture. But that's not the case when doing a regular office job. Specifically your "it's expected from the employers" is what would absolutely make it illegal. Edit: I actually found a source for this specific question, https://www.anwalt.de/rechtstipps/verboten-video-konferenzen-aufzeichnen_186059.html https://www.anwalt.de/rechtstipps/verboten-video-konferenzen....
- withinboredom 3y agoDoing it without consent would probably be the only illegal issue you'd run into in virtually every jurisdiction on earth. Otherwise, how would movies, TV shows, or the news get filmed in your country?
- onli 3y agoWe are obviously not talking about positions where recordings are normal and obviously necessary. And parent also specifically did mention that consent is required, thus not freely given, and thus not legal.
- withinboredom 3y ago“Normal” and “necessary” are subjective and cultural. They are not set in stone or even objective.
- onli 3y agoJudges are quite used to take this into consideration.
- withinboredom 3y agoSo we are on the same page then. It’s perfectly reasonable to record all meetings at work.
- onli 3y agoHey, spare me the bullshit. You know fully well that we are not on the same page. Recording all meetings at work by default for a regular office job is illegal and you have no chance to win the process if any employee sues in Germany. And that would be a costly loss, by the way. You might actually go to jail. See https://www.anwalt.de/rechtstipps/verboten-video-konferenzen-aufzeichnen_186059.html https://www.anwalt.de/rechtstipps/verboten-video-konferenzen....