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Palantir helps the US defend its southern border from illegal aliens. I don't see anything wrong with that.

by peanuty1 3y ago

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jjj123 3y ago
For one counter example out of many: It also helps the US spy on its own citizens.
- fastball 3y ago
  Which was kinda the will of the people, right? The PATRIOT act (and others) was passed by congress, who wasn't then voted out of office by the electorate. So I don't think Palantir is really any more complicit than "the American people".
  - somehnguy 3y ago
    I don’t remember having any say at all one way or another. I think most people feel completely apathetic and helpless when it comes to our government. They do what they want and there isn’t really anything the average person can do about it without an absurd amount of money backing you - so might as well do something different with your time.
  - sneak 3y ago
    Almost nothing done by congress that involves the military-industrial complex is “the will of the people” unless you redefine “the people” to be the thousand people who call the shots regarding the real allocation of tax money to industry. https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/eisenhower001.asp https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/eisenhower001.asp There is a reason we spend two billion dollars a day on the US military whilst not at war and it has nothing to do with “the people” who are mostly struggling to make rent and afford groceries whilst working constantly without healthcare. Most Americans don’t vote (but are forced to pay taxes to fund these things) so assuming their will without data is spurious at best and actively misleading at worst.
    - fastball 3y ago
      Choosing not to vote also factors in to the "will of the people". If you don't vote, you have no one to blame but yourself. If you vote for candidates that enable/abide the military-industrial complex, the same applies. If you vote, but not for those people, and those people win anyway, well... that's how democracy works.
      - marssaxman 3y ago
        > If you vote for candidates that enable/abide the military-industrial complex That description covers all of the candidates.
      - sneak 3y ago
        > If you don't vote, you have no one to blame but yourself. This is the central lie/blame assignment of democracy, and it is plainly false on its face. How can someone totally uninvolved in a process be in any way whatsoever responsible for the outcome of that process? You also go on to refute it yourself in the next paragraph. On that, we are in agreement: there is no fundamental problem with the state that can be fixed by voting. Voting legitimizes the fraudulent and coercive system; abstaining is a vote for its invalidity. More people consider the system invalid than participate in it. I think political posts should be empty if more people abstain from voting than vote for any single candidate.

Palantir helps the US defend its southern border from illegal aliens. I don't see anything wrong with that.

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jjj123 3y ago

For one counter example out of many: It also helps the US spy on its own citizens.

fastball 3y ago
Which was kinda the will of the people, right? The PATRIOT act (and others) was passed by congress, who wasn't then voted out of office by the electorate. So I don't think Palantir is really any more complicit than "the American people".
- somehnguy 3y ago
  I don’t remember having any say at all one way or another. I think most people feel completely apathetic and helpless when it comes to our government. They do what they want and there isn’t really anything the average person can do about it without an absurd amount of money backing you - so might as well do something different with your time.
- sneak 3y ago
  Almost nothing done by congress that involves the military-industrial complex is “the will of the people” unless you redefine “the people” to be the thousand people who call the shots regarding the real allocation of tax money to industry. https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/eisenhower001.asp https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/eisenhower001.asp There is a reason we spend two billion dollars a day on the US military whilst not at war and it has nothing to do with “the people” who are mostly struggling to make rent and afford groceries whilst working constantly without healthcare. Most Americans don’t vote (but are forced to pay taxes to fund these things) so assuming their will without data is spurious at best and actively misleading at worst.
  - fastball 3y ago
    Choosing not to vote also factors in to the "will of the people". If you don't vote, you have no one to blame but yourself. If you vote for candidates that enable/abide the military-industrial complex, the same applies. If you vote, but not for those people, and those people win anyway, well... that's how democracy works.
    - marssaxman 3y ago
      > If you vote for candidates that enable/abide the military-industrial complex That description covers all of the candidates.
    - sneak 3y ago
      > If you don't vote, you have no one to blame but yourself. This is the central lie/blame assignment of democracy, and it is plainly false on its face. How can someone totally uninvolved in a process be in any way whatsoever responsible for the outcome of that process? You also go on to refute it yourself in the next paragraph. On that, we are in agreement: there is no fundamental problem with the state that can be fixed by voting. Voting legitimizes the fraudulent and coercive system; abstaining is a vote for its invalidity. More people consider the system invalid than participate in it. I think political posts should be empty if more people abstain from voting than vote for any single candidate.