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I don't know if there's been that much success in pushing Côte d’Ivoire. I imagine if it is used at all in English-language countries, it's copy-pasted due to t

by smcl 3y ago

I don't know if there's been that much success in pushing Côte d’Ivoire. I imagine if it is used at all in English-language countries, it's copy-pasted due to the "ô" not being easily accessible on English keyboard layouts. In spoken English I haven't heard anyone I know say "Côte d’Ivoire" and, being into football and having football-loving friends from Ghana and Gambia (countries in the same region who cannot be accused of being ignorant Brits or Americans), there's been plenty of opportunities. Same goes for Türkiye/Turkey - those umlauts and the "toor-kee-ye" pronunciation will scare off most users of English, who will fall back to the more familiar "Turkey". "Czechia" doesn't even have the problem of diacritics and it's still not that widespread. I find it a bit awkward and don't use it even though I live here. Old habits die hard and, whether they like it or not, Ivory Coast, Turkey, Czechia etc are gonna be around for a while.

ben_w 3y ago
> "Czechia" doesn't even have the problem of diacritics and it's still not that widespread. Not too long ago a British politician was unironically suggesting a post-Brexit trade deal with "Czechoslovakia". I don't know how much of that was mere incompetence in his case, but in general at least some of it will be old habits dying hard.
- smcl 3y ago
  Incompetence during the Brexit negotiations?! Surely not!
TylerE 3y ago
Easy on a Mac. Just press the base letter for a few seconds, and a small pop up will appear and you enter the number (one digit) corresponding to the variant you want. On iOS it’s similar but even easier. Short press, then drag you finger to the variant. Õōøœóòöô. Way easier than alt codes on windows. I do a bit of work in music engraving software and you run into needing to type things like dètaché.
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- smcl 3y ago
  You and I know this. Your average person on the street doesn’t though.
  - TylerE 3y ago
    I figure a good chunk of HN doesn't. That's why I explained it.
    - smcl 3y ago
      Ah fair, I thought you were suggesting that typing the official name was no big deal, rather than just suggesting something helpful for macOS/iOS users.
em-bee 3y ago
you could probably write Türkiye as Turkiye too, and it would still be better than Turkey. in this case it's not only the issue of a foreign name but also the confusion with the bird. i did see german translations food articles where "turkey meat" was translated with the country name instead of the bird name, which differ in german.
- OfSanguineFire 3y ago
  In Turkish, the word for “India” the country and “turkey” the bird are the same. Somehow the Turkish state doesn’t ascribe to India the same “respect” it demands for its own country’s name.
  - em-bee 3y ago
    i am not sure that is fair. for one, india in turkish is hindistan, so there is a noticeable difference, and second the bird seems to be named after a presumed country of origin in many places: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_(bird)#Names https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_(bird)#Names
- em-bee 3y ago
  btw, anyone thinking that spelling it "turkiye" would be bad, here are a few examples of it in use: goturkiye.com www.mfa.gov.tr/turkiye-and-eu-info.en.mfa

by smcl 3y ago

ben_w 3y ago

> "Czechia" doesn't even have the problem of diacritics and it's still not that widespread. Not too long ago a British politician was unironically suggesting a post-Brexit trade deal with "Czechoslovakia". I don't know how much of that was mere incompetence in his case, but in general at least some of it will be old habits dying hard.

smcl 3y ago
Incompetence during the Brexit negotiations?! Surely not!

TylerE 3y ago

Easy on a Mac. Just press the base letter for a few seconds, and a small pop up will appear and you enter the number (one digit) corresponding to the variant you want. On iOS it’s similar but even easier. Short press, then drag you finger to the variant. Õōøœóòöô. Way easier than alt codes on windows. I do a bit of work in music engraving software and you run into needing to type things like dètaché.

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smcl 3y ago
You and I know this. Your average person on the street doesn’t though.
- TylerE 3y ago
  I figure a good chunk of HN doesn't. That's why I explained it.
  - smcl 3y ago
    Ah fair, I thought you were suggesting that typing the official name was no big deal, rather than just suggesting something helpful for macOS/iOS users.

em-bee 3y ago

you could probably write Türkiye as Turkiye too, and it would still be better than Turkey. in this case it's not only the issue of a foreign name but also the confusion with the bird. i did see german translations food articles where "turkey meat" was translated with the country name instead of the bird name, which differ in german.

OfSanguineFire 3y ago
In Turkish, the word for “India” the country and “turkey” the bird are the same. Somehow the Turkish state doesn’t ascribe to India the same “respect” it demands for its own country’s name.
- em-bee 3y ago
  i am not sure that is fair. for one, india in turkish is hindistan, so there is a noticeable difference, and second the bird seems to be named after a presumed country of origin in many places: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_(bird)#Names https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_(bird)#Names
em-bee 3y ago
btw, anyone thinking that spelling it "turkiye" would be bad, here are a few examples of it in use: goturkiye.com www.mfa.gov.tr/turkiye-and-eu-info.en.mfa