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Thanks for the feedback. Working on this has been a lot of fun for me, but I'm also aware that it's too big to digest in a sentence or even a paragraph, so the
by __MatrixMan__ 3y ago
Thanks for the feedback. Working on this has been a lot of fun for me, but I'm also aware that it's too big to digest in a sentence or even a paragraph, so there are very few people I can talk about it with. From what you shared about yours it seems we're thinking in similar directions.
Aside:
I think it's a tragedy that bit torrent is associated with piracy because it's just a better way to move data around in general. In order to not have that happen to me, I'm seeking a first application that is unlikely to ruffle feathers, so I've been taking a bioinformatics class. As I get familiar with workflows in the genomics/proteomics world, I'm finding that this:
> The file/folder metaphor has had fantastic success but it leaves people constrained to hierarchical thinking
Is resoundingly true. We end up with filenames like: "ncrassa.H3K9me3.ChIPseq.subtracted.merged.bed" which is not a name so much as a directed graph, a recipe of how this file came to be. Coming up with names for the resultant files at each stage in the graph and keeping them straight is this chore which could be dispensed with if what you were looking at was the graph that we're all holding in our minds while we write these names.
Semantics Note:
> tuples are just triples with NULL for a verb.
The way I think of it, pairs are just triples with null for a verb. When I say tuples I mean things that can have arbitrarily many values. Anyhow, I think I know what you mean.
As for data representation, I don't really like triples in the subject, verb, object sense. It's very Semantic Web™, particularly it's the vision of the semantic web which Doctorow argues has failed here: https://people.well.com/user/doctorow/metacrap.htm https://people.well.com/user/doctorow/metacrap.htm
I agree with his critiques, and I would add this one:
> People struggle enough to do their jobs as it is, if yours is a system that asks them to do something more in the name of useful metadata, you will be ignored.
If you have write access to important data, you have way too much responsibility to way too many people. We need to split that responsibility up so that different personae can handle different things. If I'm the one that wishes that this data had annotations, let me be the one to annotate it, and don't make me seek approval first.
A consequence of this is that you now need an "according to whom" field on all of your triples. Maybe you don't trust that particular author. Fine, quadruples then? Maybe, but when I actually try to get a complex problem to lay out nicely in this way I end up with a sort of predicate soup--which is how I ended up with my mad libs approach: arbitrary n-tuples. In some sense I'm passing the buck and making it the app developer's problem (which is, of course, also me, but wearing a different hat).
I'm not enamored of reddit these days, but when it was new it was quite innovative to just let any-old user create any-old subreddit. Most of them fizzled out into obscurity, but occasionally a community had its shit together, and those thrived. That's a dynamic that I want to lean into. If the data sucks, don't find a different protocol, find a different community of data curators using the same protocol.
So that relates to your question because unless you're going to be in-the-loop as arbitrator of everything, people are going to disagree, and there will be a certain amount of churn as they align themselves with different sides of that disagreement.
I have to imagine that at some point somebody is going to want to express something new. To borrow from my world, a mad lib:
> ___ and ___ played in superbowl ____ and ____ won (according to ____)
I'm pretty sure that this quintuple can be normalized down into some set of triples which sort of reference each other when the proposition needs to be reconstructed, but when you decompose it like that you lose the feeling that it's a single thing--a thing that can be trusted or not by a user--a thing that can be gossiped between users--a thing that can be purged once it's no longer needed. It may be the case that having to reconstruct the more complex thing while performing these operations is actually more complex than just paying the up-front cost of having them be more complex things in the first place.
So I guess I have to ask: Is it definitely more complex to have a separate table for each type? Or does that complexity just bite you at different times?
I once had to test assertions about a rather large database over a rather slow connection. I was very fortunate that I could strip off the foreign keys and just flat-out ignore tables that were not related to my testing (this required that I sync much less data). That's harder to do if the "real" things are expressed in terms of simpler things which now have to be teased apart.
My opinion is relevant to the "sqlite" side of your dilemma, I think. I'm personally a big fan of git and filesystems--they are among the most potent tools that I feel comfortable using. I also considered wrapping git to handle conflict resolution. But ultimately it's the road I didn't take, so I can't really weigh in there.
I avoided it for.... weird reasons:
Generally, a git repo is run by somebody with authority. They accept or reject PRs in a rather top-down way. That feels like the "consistency" side of the CAP theorem, and I have chosen "partition tolerance" instead. It's an idea I got from Unison (https://www.unison-lang.org/ https://www.unison-lang.org/). If you don't do globally unique names (such as the URL for a git repo) you don't get fights over where the authoritative name points. Instead, each fork is created with equal validity and its up to the users to decide which one to install.
It's kind of like back in the day when BTC forked. The optics of the scenario was that segregated witness won, and the losers of that fight went off and created BCH. But realistically it was was just that there was first one protocol, and then there was a choice between two new protocols. The notion that one side of the conflict got to carry the old name is well... not as content-addressed as I'd have liked.