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> especially if i think it’s just another dumb pointless rule FAA rules are written in blood. They may be overbearing and often tedious, but they are far from

> especially if i think it’s just another dumb pointless rule FAA rules are written in blood. They may be overbearing and often tedious, but they are far from dumb and pointless. Those rules are from other government agencies.

alvah 3y ago
Is the "all devices must be put in flight mode" rule written in blood? Everything I've heard suggests it's not necessary. I agree with your general point though.
- rich_sasha 3y ago
  I think it is written with blood from a scratch. I spoke to a pilot about it a while back, he said in the early days (either because of less EM shielding or different phone design or something else - not sure) this really interfered with e.g. the landing radio aids. While it never caused a crash, it was mighty annoying and distracting, and in the wrong circumstances could have lead to a crash. AFAIK it never did, but could have done.
- NobodyNada 3y ago
  Note that the rule about mobile devices is an FCC rule, not an FAA rule.
  - tomjakubowski 3y ago
    It is both an FAA rule and an FCC rule https://www.faa.gov/travelers/fly_safe/information https://www.faa.gov/travelers/fly_safe/information
ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
He's not saying the rule is pointless. He's pointing out that the announcements FAIL to explain that this is an important safety issue, leading passengers to BELIEVE that it's no big deal.
- Rastonbury 3y ago
  They should say don't move your seat or you may shatter your screen, most people have never seen their phones explode but most know how much a oled replacement is these days
  - ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
    Hahaha, that's not a bad idea!
hedora 3y ago
I was recently on a flight where they packed a half full flight so that half the passengers in the front of the plane and half in the back. The middle rows were completely open and they told us the plane would crash if we sat in them. The airline charges money to let you choose your seat, and obviously, no one had paid. There is an FAA rule saying you have to listen to safety instructions from the flight crew, but apparently there is no rule saying that crew members can’t issue blatantly false “safety” orders to prop up the marketing department’s numbers. The more airlines abuse this, the more people will assume that new FAA rules are also bullshit.
- xethos 3y ago
  Might be time to look up Center of Gravity then. Most of the time, it doesn't make a massive difference. However, in some rare or extreme circumstances (like literally half the aircraft being empty), loading can come in to play. This affects things like where and how luggage or pax are loaded. Not knowing why it's a rule, and being too self-righteous to look it up, doesn't make it "blatantly false".

alvah 3y ago

Is the "all devices must be put in flight mode" rule written in blood? Everything I've heard suggests it's not necessary. I agree with your general point though.

rich_sasha 3y ago
I think it is written with blood from a scratch. I spoke to a pilot about it a while back, he said in the early days (either because of less EM shielding or different phone design or something else - not sure) this really interfered with e.g. the landing radio aids. While it never caused a crash, it was mighty annoying and distracting, and in the wrong circumstances could have lead to a crash. AFAIK it never did, but could have done.
NobodyNada 3y ago
Note that the rule about mobile devices is an FCC rule, not an FAA rule.
- tomjakubowski 3y ago
  It is both an FAA rule and an FCC rule https://www.faa.gov/travelers/fly_safe/information https://www.faa.gov/travelers/fly_safe/information

ShadowBanThis01 3y ago

He's not saying the rule is pointless. He's pointing out that the announcements FAIL to explain that this is an important safety issue, leading passengers to BELIEVE that it's no big deal.

Rastonbury 3y ago
They should say don't move your seat or you may shatter your screen, most people have never seen their phones explode but most know how much a oled replacement is these days
- ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
  Hahaha, that's not a bad idea!

hedora 3y ago

I was recently on a flight where they packed a half full flight so that half the passengers in the front of the plane and half in the back. The middle rows were completely open and they told us the plane would crash if we sat in them. The airline charges money to let you choose your seat, and obviously, no one had paid. There is an FAA rule saying you have to listen to safety instructions from the flight crew, but apparently there is no rule saying that crew members can’t issue blatantly false “safety” orders to prop up the marketing department’s numbers. The more airlines abuse this, the more people will assume that new FAA rules are also bullshit.

xethos 3y ago
Might be time to look up Center of Gravity then. Most of the time, it doesn't make a massive difference. However, in some rare or extreme circumstances (like literally half the aircraft being empty), loading can come in to play. This affects things like where and how luggage or pax are loaded. Not knowing why it's a rule, and being too self-righteous to look it up, doesn't make it "blatantly false".