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The CBC is little more than crass government propaganda at this point. Canada in general should be viewed as a cautionary tale for anyone who thinks more gover

by ta8645 3y ago

The CBC is little more than crass government propaganda at this point. Canada in general should be viewed as a cautionary tale for anyone who thinks more government intervention in our lives, is a good thing.

fooster 3y ago
Nonsense. Don’t spread misinformation.
- ta8645 3y ago
  Spoken with the same tone and language that the nanny state and media use. It's inappropriate and shameful. I hope more people start to see through it before civil society is completely lost.
- FpUser 3y ago
  I am Canadian and am in agreement with the point to which you replied. There is no misinformation about Canada moving backwards comparatively to what it once was.
someone13 3y ago
As someone that has lived in several countries, and currently in Canada, I will respectfully have to disagree both about your opinion of the CBC and beliefs about government intervention. Some parts of Canadian local/provincial/federal government seem deeply dysfunctional, but some are extremely helpful and better than I’ve seen elsewhere.
- ta8645 3y ago
  You're seeing what remains of a strong and healthy period of Canadian history. But almost every facet is currently under threat and significant stress. You can't fund a "news" organization with public money and expect them to be an independent agency that holds the government's feet to the fire. They don't do much more than add a thin veneer of objectivity and independent analysis for any significant government initiative. The article posted above is just a small piece of evidence for the broken nature of the media. There is a torrent more spewing out daily.
  - Mechanical9 3y ago
    Counterpoint: You can't fund a news organization with private money and expect them to hold private organizations' feet to the fire. Any time they are critical of a major business, they lose advertisers. Personally, I have a problem with the viewpoint that democratic governments are some sort of adversary when in actuality, private businesses are the entities that have no accountability and we have zero direct control over. I agree there should be independent criticism of government, but IMO state media from a democratic government is naturally going to be better overall than only having private media.
    - throwuwu 3y ago
      Everyone has their own interests in mind and so everyone has to be balanced against each other. Come on people we figured this out hundreds of years ago.
    - ta8645 3y ago
      Without government picking winners and loser (through protective legislation and regulation) the free market means that honest competition keeps corporations in check. There is an adversarial element inherent in the system. The reason we have so many entrenched monopolies is because they have captured the government.. a government that has no adversary and isn't even properly monitored by the corrupt and complicit media.
ornornor 3y ago
I don’t see people becoming homeless because of medical bills in Canada. I don’t see people getting shot nearly as much in Canada. I don’t see as many exploited illegal immigrants in Canada. To fight corporate greed and capitalistic cynicism we do need government.
- _v7gu 3y ago
  I don't know why they are homeless, but there are quite a bit of homeless there; along with 15-people illegal boarding homes. Canadian real estate market is also quite a miracle. Compared to US, I suppose. Canadian homicide rate is comparable to Balkan countries, each famous in their own way of dysfunction and corruption. Drop the word "illegal" and you will see a lot. How do you expect illegal immigrants to get to Canada when they only border US? The final point is quite amusing since it's the Canadian Government and the regulatory capture it creates that screws up a lot of things in Canada and pushes prices to insane levels (mobile phone plans, housing as two examples that came to my mind) while also depressing wages via immigration.
  - rrr_oh_man 3y ago
    > Canadian homicide rate is comparable to Balkan countries At 2.1/100,000 it’s a hair above the 2021 Balkans average, which is, frankly, quite low and just a little higher than the Northern Europe average. > each famous in their own way of dysfunction and corruption. Yes, but not for high homicide rates. What’s the point you are trying to make?
    - _v7gu 3y ago
      If being Balkan-like is good enough, then yeah I understand why you wouldn't complain. After reading the other comments on this page it seems that "Well, it's good* enough." should be the national Canadian slogan or something. [*] For some low standard of good
      - Ygg2 3y ago
        GP suggests you ar cherry picking the data to make irrelevant data inferences. Here is a counter example. Cuba sees ~0 Rhinecarops homicide, ergo it's just as developed as Canada and Belgium.
kredd 3y ago
As a person who has very close familial ties to other countries (US and Europe), and been around a decent bit, I still think life in Canada is better than in other places (for me). Sure we have problems, some of them are getting even worse than before, but comparatively we’re doing okay. It’s easy to say everything sucks here, but it also sucks in other places for different reasons. Full disclaimer, I consider myself politically moderate/centrist and still think CBC is very valuable. And again, I understand everyone has different priorities in life and Canada might not be suitable for them. But implying “we have it the worst and nobody would want to live here if they had a way to get out” is also wrong.
- dsq 3y ago
  But isn't perhaps the relatively better life simply due to the truly stupendous ratio of land and natural resources per person that make up for the deficiencies of the system?
  - otoburb 3y ago
    Yes. But it's still an objectively better life compared to other places in the world. Hopefully Canada has enough time to correct any system deficiencies before our natural resources run out.
  - kredd 3y ago
    I mean, yeah? Every country uses (if they can) their natural resources to prop up everything. Some better than others (e.g. Norwegian generational fund), some invest basically into every possible thing imaginable (Saudi and Aramco), and Canada does it in just in an average way. Either way, nothing is perfect, things might go for worse, but as of now, it’s a good place for me and others that I know.
michaelje 3y ago
Or maybe the issue is regulatory capture of government, not government itself? ‘Government intervention’ isn’t the same as a government who works to support the needs of citizens.
- ta8645 3y ago
  There's no government system that has been proposed that can not be captured. The only option that has proven to work so far, is to limit the government, so that regulatory capture doesn't matter that much.

by ta8645 3y ago

fooster 3y ago

Nonsense. Don’t spread misinformation.

ta8645 3y ago
Spoken with the same tone and language that the nanny state and media use. It's inappropriate and shameful. I hope more people start to see through it before civil society is completely lost.
FpUser 3y ago
I am Canadian and am in agreement with the point to which you replied. There is no misinformation about Canada moving backwards comparatively to what it once was.

someone13 3y ago

As someone that has lived in several countries, and currently in Canada, I will respectfully have to disagree both about your opinion of the CBC and beliefs about government intervention. Some parts of Canadian local/provincial/federal government seem deeply dysfunctional, but some are extremely helpful and better than I’ve seen elsewhere.

ta8645 3y ago
You're seeing what remains of a strong and healthy period of Canadian history. But almost every facet is currently under threat and significant stress. You can't fund a "news" organization with public money and expect them to be an independent agency that holds the government's feet to the fire. They don't do much more than add a thin veneer of objectivity and independent analysis for any significant government initiative. The article posted above is just a small piece of evidence for the broken nature of the media. There is a torrent more spewing out daily.
- Mechanical9 3y ago
  Counterpoint: You can't fund a news organization with private money and expect them to hold private organizations' feet to the fire. Any time they are critical of a major business, they lose advertisers. Personally, I have a problem with the viewpoint that democratic governments are some sort of adversary when in actuality, private businesses are the entities that have no accountability and we have zero direct control over. I agree there should be independent criticism of government, but IMO state media from a democratic government is naturally going to be better overall than only having private media.
  - throwuwu 3y ago
    Everyone has their own interests in mind and so everyone has to be balanced against each other. Come on people we figured this out hundreds of years ago.
  - ta8645 3y ago
    Without government picking winners and loser (through protective legislation and regulation) the free market means that honest competition keeps corporations in check. There is an adversarial element inherent in the system. The reason we have so many entrenched monopolies is because they have captured the government.. a government that has no adversary and isn't even properly monitored by the corrupt and complicit media.

ornornor 3y ago

I don’t see people becoming homeless because of medical bills in Canada. I don’t see people getting shot nearly as much in Canada. I don’t see as many exploited illegal immigrants in Canada. To fight corporate greed and capitalistic cynicism we do need government.

_v7gu 3y ago
I don't know why they are homeless, but there are quite a bit of homeless there; along with 15-people illegal boarding homes. Canadian real estate market is also quite a miracle. Compared to US, I suppose. Canadian homicide rate is comparable to Balkan countries, each famous in their own way of dysfunction and corruption. Drop the word "illegal" and you will see a lot. How do you expect illegal immigrants to get to Canada when they only border US? The final point is quite amusing since it's the Canadian Government and the regulatory capture it creates that screws up a lot of things in Canada and pushes prices to insane levels (mobile phone plans, housing as two examples that came to my mind) while also depressing wages via immigration.
- rrr_oh_man 3y ago
  > Canadian homicide rate is comparable to Balkan countries At 2.1/100,000 it’s a hair above the 2021 Balkans average, which is, frankly, quite low and just a little higher than the Northern Europe average. > each famous in their own way of dysfunction and corruption. Yes, but not for high homicide rates. What’s the point you are trying to make?
  - _v7gu 3y ago
    If being Balkan-like is good enough, then yeah I understand why you wouldn't complain. After reading the other comments on this page it seems that "Well, it's good* enough." should be the national Canadian slogan or something. [*] For some low standard of good
    - Ygg2 3y ago
      GP suggests you ar cherry picking the data to make irrelevant data inferences. Here is a counter example. Cuba sees ~0 Rhinecarops homicide, ergo it's just as developed as Canada and Belgium.

kredd 3y ago

As a person who has very close familial ties to other countries (US and Europe), and been around a decent bit, I still think life in Canada is better than in other places (for me). Sure we have problems, some of them are getting even worse than before, but comparatively we’re doing okay. It’s easy to say everything sucks here, but it also sucks in other places for different reasons. Full disclaimer, I consider myself politically moderate/centrist and still think CBC is very valuable. And again, I understand everyone has different priorities in life and Canada might not be suitable for them. But implying “we have it the worst and nobody would want to live here if they had a way to get out” is also wrong.

dsq 3y ago
But isn't perhaps the relatively better life simply due to the truly stupendous ratio of land and natural resources per person that make up for the deficiencies of the system?
- otoburb 3y ago
  Yes. But it's still an objectively better life compared to other places in the world. Hopefully Canada has enough time to correct any system deficiencies before our natural resources run out.
- kredd 3y ago
  I mean, yeah? Every country uses (if they can) their natural resources to prop up everything. Some better than others (e.g. Norwegian generational fund), some invest basically into every possible thing imaginable (Saudi and Aramco), and Canada does it in just in an average way. Either way, nothing is perfect, things might go for worse, but as of now, it’s a good place for me and others that I know.

michaelje 3y ago

Or maybe the issue is regulatory capture of government, not government itself? ‘Government intervention’ isn’t the same as a government who works to support the needs of citizens.

ta8645 3y ago
There's no government system that has been proposed that can not be captured. The only option that has proven to work so far, is to limit the government, so that regulatory capture doesn't matter that much.