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> As a fact, no, I don't. The amount of carnage seen on Palestine photos and videos is not matched. You’re not looking very hard then. The carnage is identica

by _kbh_ 3y ago

> As a fact, no, I don't. The amount of carnage seen on Palestine photos and videos is not matched. You’re not looking very hard then. The carnage is identical the Russians have literally leveled entire cities in Ukraine, I dare say the Russians have leveled an area that is overall larger then Gaza in its entirety. This is before we get to the especially brutal parts of Russias war like when they launched an anti ship missile at a shopping centre.

thriftwy 3y ago
Launching "a missile" at a target pales in comparison with a row of apartment blocks levelled by air strikes. And no, ground offensives are not the same. I hope we won't see those in Gaza - there is still chance.
- _kbh_ 3y ago
  > Launching "a missile" at a target pales in comparison with a row of apartment blocks levelled by air strikes. It literally nearly levelled a shopping mall and killed 20+ civilians and injured close to 60. So I guess the real question becomes, are civilian causalities okay or not?, if they are not okay then Russians indiscriminate targeting and killing of civilians in Ukraine is just as bad as Israels. > And no, ground offensives are not the same. I hope we won't see those in Gaza - there is still chance. So if Israel kills civilians in a ground offensive does that make it okay?.
  - thriftwy 3y ago
    Ground offensive makes it worse but it's already very bad. Worse than most of the stuff seen in the Russo-Ukrainian. The question is actually a different one: about the collateral damage. But in the case of both Palestine and Israel, that question does not even enter the picture. Both sides show no discretion in killing one other.
    - jnsaff2 3y ago
      The kind of restraint that brought us atrocities of Bucha and the childrens torture chambers of Kherson? Murder and genocide has been russian m.o for ever. You can’t downplay this.
    - _kbh_ 3y ago
      You never answered the questions, are civilian causalities okay or not?. Given how multiple cities in Ukraine look after Russias “ground offensive” I presume you’d be fine with Israel flattening Gaza in a ground offensive?. Considering that’s exactly what Russia is doing to Ukraine. > The question is actually a different one: about the collateral damage. Or are you saying that if Ukraine used civilians as meat shields and forced them to stay in place that you would have a problem with what Russia is doing?.

by _kbh_ 3y ago

thriftwy 3y ago

Launching "a missile" at a target pales in comparison with a row of apartment blocks levelled by air strikes. And no, ground offensives are not the same. I hope we won't see those in Gaza - there is still chance.

_kbh_ 3y ago
> Launching "a missile" at a target pales in comparison with a row of apartment blocks levelled by air strikes. It literally nearly levelled a shopping mall and killed 20+ civilians and injured close to 60. So I guess the real question becomes, are civilian causalities okay or not?, if they are not okay then Russians indiscriminate targeting and killing of civilians in Ukraine is just as bad as Israels. > And no, ground offensives are not the same. I hope we won't see those in Gaza - there is still chance. So if Israel kills civilians in a ground offensive does that make it okay?.
- thriftwy 3y ago
  Ground offensive makes it worse but it's already very bad. Worse than most of the stuff seen in the Russo-Ukrainian. The question is actually a different one: about the collateral damage. But in the case of both Palestine and Israel, that question does not even enter the picture. Both sides show no discretion in killing one other.
  - jnsaff2 3y ago
    The kind of restraint that brought us atrocities of Bucha and the childrens torture chambers of Kherson? Murder and genocide has been russian m.o for ever. You can’t downplay this.
  - _kbh_ 3y ago
    You never answered the questions, are civilian causalities okay or not?. Given how multiple cities in Ukraine look after Russias “ground offensive” I presume you’d be fine with Israel flattening Gaza in a ground offensive?. Considering that’s exactly what Russia is doing to Ukraine. > The question is actually a different one: about the collateral damage. Or are you saying that if Ukraine used civilians as meat shields and forced them to stay in place that you would have a problem with what Russia is doing?.