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the point is: you don't need to kill plants and fungi. we wait for beans, corn and wheat to almost die before we harvest it. no tree that produces fruits needs
by thedumbomnivore 3y ago
the point is: you don't need to kill plants and fungi. we wait for beans, corn and wheat to almost die before we harvest it. no tree that produces fruits needs to be ripped off. a lot of vegetables can be harvested without killing the plant, if we cared. as well fungi, as the mushroom is relative to an apple is to a tree.
it's really impressive reading arguments of this level on a place like this... and even worse: justifications at the ballpark of "i can't commit to veganism, its too boring/difficult"
edit: boring is to work on a livestock place killing hundreds of animals per day and dealing with the smell of blood, screams of animals not killed at the first air-shot & the high paying salary that probably allows plenty of exotic seasoning and vegetables to be cooked after work; if you aren't going to suicide, because rates of this type on those workers are pretty high
- justinclift 3y ago> a lot of vegetables can be harvested without killing the plant, if we cared That's a fair point. Eggs from chickens and milk from cows seem like the corresponding thing for the animal realm.
- PretzelPirate 3y agoThough you do need to do something with the baby cows that are born before their mother produces milk. They're often killed since they don't have much value otherwise.
- justinclift 3y agoWhat's the situation where a cow would calf, and not have milk ready to feed it? Doesn't really seem like that'd be a common thing, though I could believe it does happen occasionally (law of large numbers and all).
- forward1 3y ago> Eggs from chickens and milk from cows seem like the corresponding thing for the animal realm. Both of those animals are raped, have their children separated from them, and are ultimately killed early in their life when their economic commodification is concluded, so no, the level of violence and negative side effects is not anywhere close to comparable.
- justinclift 3y ago> ... have their children separated from them, and are ultimately killed ... Oh, you mean like "beans, corn and wheat" as in the comment I was replying to? That seems to be what happens for them too. ;) No idea why you're saying the same things happening to them "aren't anywhere close to comparable".
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- justinclift 3y agoHmmm, is there any chance you're choosing arbitrary lines because they're convenient for you?
- forward1 3y agoWhat's arbitrary about sentience, which is scientifically established?
- pvaldes 3y ago> Both of those animals are raped Hem... not. Farmers don't have sex with chicken or cows normally. Can we behave as adults here?
- forward1 3y agoHow do you think those animals get pregnant?
- justinclift 3y agoSo tell us about "beans, corn and wheat" then... ?
- pvaldes 3y ago> the point is: you don't need to kill plants. we wait for beans, corn and wheat to almost die We don't need to kill individual plants, because we can wait and kill its babies. Philosophical consistence at its best. Each bean, corn and wheat grains are individual plants. Eating a dish of beans or a slice of bread is the very own definition of killing 200 plants each time. Silly influencers tried to eat only fruits. The poor misguided souls died of malnutrition. It does not work. Seriously. Facts are stubborn.
- forward1 3y ago> Silly influencers tried to eat only fruits. The poor misguided souls died of malnutrition. We're talking about humans, right? Which are anatomically closest to frugivorous apes. Curious which "facts" you must be considering.
- pvaldes 3y agoWe're talking about humans, that's correct Facts: Fruit only diet is unsuitable for the survival of human children. nine month old girl died in 2000. The baby was severely malnourished after being feed a diet of water and tomato juice. Their parent rejected repeatedly any medical advice, thinking that just providing more sun would be enough. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/sep/15/taniabranigan https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/sep/15/taniabranigan So this diet can kill you literally in a few months More food for your mind. Fruitarian diet can kill young adults also Aug 2023. The food influencer Zhanna Samsonova starved herself to death at 39 Yo after subsisting exclusively on a diet of fruits, sunflower seed sprouts, fruit smoothies and juices for years https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOfE3peL1QE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOfE3peL1QE
- forward1 3y agoSo two people dead "from" fruitarian diets versus hundreds of thousands dead from eating animal products and processed foods annually. Looks like you've lost the argument totally.