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I'm not a statistician, but I like barinstorming: - Spearphishing and the consequences of such - Persistent robocalls - Wide net identity theft - Targeted scam

by j-bos 3y ago

I'm not a statistician, but I like barinstorming: - Spearphishing and the consequences of such - Persistent robocalls - Wide net identity theft - Targeted scam calls to family members

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> I like barinstorming: - Spearphishing and the consequences of such - Persistent robocalls - Wide net identity theft - Targeted scam calls to family members Actual, not hypothetical. Again, I believe this happens. But why is it so difficult to document?
- elashri 3y ago
  It is hard to document and then sue anyone for data breach. Now I have all information needed for someone to open credit cards in my name (ot assume identity in general) from the following sources. - My old university - T mobile - My health provider Now if you try to sue any one them regardless of their arbitration mandatory you would have to prove that the harm is because of this particular institution and not the others. And the notion of identity theft is putting the blame on the people where the actual victims are the banks/dealers and not you. But it is easy to put the responsibility on you.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > if you try to sue any one them regardless of their arbitration mandatory you would have to prove that the harm is because of this particular institution and not the others No, you'd just have to show the first part. That they caused harm. > the notion of identity theft is putting the blame on the people where thr actual victims are the banks/dealers This is a real problem. But I haven't seen anyone successfully tie a case of identity theft, even in part, to a particular breach.
    - elashri 3y ago
      Your second part is answering your first part. You did not see anyone successfully tied it to a particular breach because you have to show that it is because of this breach not other breach. These companies have deep buckets and will employee laywers who have experience into squashing all the suits of this kind. Edit: I have much less faith that your question in the beginning was serious with good intentions now.
      - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > did not see anyone successfully tied it to a particular breach because you have to show that it is because of this breach not other breach. Again, this is not true. If two people steal your data, and you can tie the use of any of that stolen data to harm, they are each liable. The problem is in identifying the harms. Not calculating the attributed damage. > companies have deep buckets and will employee laywers who have experience into squashing all the suits of this kind A multibillion-dollar payoff for lawyers and a wealthy plaintiff to get a class certified, and the answer is a conspiracy of corporate counsels?
- distortionfield 3y ago
  Because black market databases are often amalgamations of several data breaches, so tracking blame is nearly impossible.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > black market databases are often amalgamations of several data breaches Sure. But why are these database operators' tradecraft so universally solid that nobody can back out attribution, including law enforcement when they search and seize them?

by j-bos 3y ago

I'm not a statistician, but I like barinstorming: - Spearphishing and the consequences of such - Persistent robocalls - Wide net identity theft - Targeted scam calls to family members

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> I like barinstorming: - Spearphishing and the consequences of such - Persistent robocalls - Wide net identity theft - Targeted scam calls to family members Actual, not hypothetical. Again, I believe this happens. But why is it so difficult to document?

elashri 3y ago
It is hard to document and then sue anyone for data breach. Now I have all information needed for someone to open credit cards in my name (ot assume identity in general) from the following sources. - My old university - T mobile - My health provider Now if you try to sue any one them regardless of their arbitration mandatory you would have to prove that the harm is because of this particular institution and not the others. And the notion of identity theft is putting the blame on the people where the actual victims are the banks/dealers and not you. But it is easy to put the responsibility on you.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > if you try to sue any one them regardless of their arbitration mandatory you would have to prove that the harm is because of this particular institution and not the others No, you'd just have to show the first part. That they caused harm. > the notion of identity theft is putting the blame on the people where thr actual victims are the banks/dealers This is a real problem. But I haven't seen anyone successfully tie a case of identity theft, even in part, to a particular breach.
  - elashri 3y ago
    Your second part is answering your first part. You did not see anyone successfully tied it to a particular breach because you have to show that it is because of this breach not other breach. These companies have deep buckets and will employee laywers who have experience into squashing all the suits of this kind. Edit: I have much less faith that your question in the beginning was serious with good intentions now.
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > did not see anyone successfully tied it to a particular breach because you have to show that it is because of this breach not other breach. Again, this is not true. If two people steal your data, and you can tie the use of any of that stolen data to harm, they are each liable. The problem is in identifying the harms. Not calculating the attributed damage. > companies have deep buckets and will employee laywers who have experience into squashing all the suits of this kind A multibillion-dollar payoff for lawyers and a wealthy plaintiff to get a class certified, and the answer is a conspiracy of corporate counsels?
distortionfield 3y ago
Because black market databases are often amalgamations of several data breaches, so tracking blame is nearly impossible.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > black market databases are often amalgamations of several data breaches Sure. But why are these database operators' tradecraft so universally solid that nobody can back out attribution, including law enforcement when they search and seize them?