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Good observations (and relevant username). Just pointing out that people spending 15-20 mins at stations is not unrealistic. At least near motorways, gas stati
by throw_pm23 3y ago
Good observations (and relevant username).
Just pointing out that people spending 15-20 mins at stations is not unrealistic. At least near motorways, gas stations already position themselves as a place where you can do your regular rest during a long drive, with diners, cafes, children's playgrounds, etc., some drivers even catch a quick nap in the parking lot -- this is how it looks in Europe at least.
- prepend 3y ago> Just pointing out that people spending 15-20 mins at stations is not unrealistic. This is super unrealistic due to volume. I filled my car at Costco this morning. I spent about 3 minutes pumping 10 gallons. At the same time, 25 other cars filled up at the 25 pumps. And there was a line backed up. To change refuel times from 3-5 minutes to 15-20 (rather optimistic based on my supercharging experience) won’t work unless you increase the charging infrastructure significantly. People will need to charge at home, not at gas stations. And motorway stops are going to have to have hundreds of chargers not the current dozen or two.
- lamontcg 3y agoI can't remember the last time I had to wait in line for gas that wasn't at Costco. Costco is a pretty extreme outlier. But agreed that charging should shift to the home, the problem there is chargers for on-street parking though for people who don't have driveways/garages (of course this might eventually get solved by fully automated vehicles and lowering ownership of vehicles, but that's still vaporware right now while EVs are clearly here right now).
- fragmede 3y agoIt's not too hard to imagine parking meters having charging ports.
- simfree 3y agoRunning a 240v 50A power cable is orders of magnitude cheaper than building a gas pump.
- mulmen 3y agoPorts is right. This is only viable if the cars bring the cable. Seattle tried installing chargers at public street parking spots and the cables were stolen.
- lightbritefight 3y agoThere are endless street level, public EV chargers in Seattle with cables. Some random chargers being vandalized isn't really indicative of anything.
- mulmen 3y agoHuh, I can’t think of a single one. All the chargers I know about are in parking garages.
- erik_seaberg 3y agoThat's a first step, but I don't see parking meters in US suburbs. Some barely have streetlights.
- fragmede 3y agothough, In the suburbs, you're more likely to have a house with a garage where there can be a charging port.
- prepend 3y agoIt’s not the waiting that’s the important part. It’s that lots of people want to get gas and they can’t all wait 20-30 minutes to recharge.
- robocat 3y agoEspecially problematic during peak periods like longer distance holiday travel?
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- lightbritefight 3y agoNow imagine if instead of those 25 pumps, each parking spot in the regular costco parking lot had a charging station. Suddenly 25 min isn't a big deal, and you "fuel" just as many, if not more cars in the same time frame as the mega large gas station, which itself could be even more charging spots.