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How many employees in Texas are illegal? States that want to complain about illegal immigration should mandate E-Verify for all employers. This would force them

How many employees in Texas are illegal? States that want to complain about illegal immigration should mandate E-Verify for all employers. This would force them to be honest about how much businesses profit from illegal labor. But it is easier to keep gullible voters distracted talking about walls.

cscurmudgeon 3y ago
Is it mandatory in NY? If I remember correct, NY has also started complaining about illegal immigration.
- cj 3y ago
  Verifying employment eligibility is mandatory in all states. > All U.S. employers must properly complete Form I-9 for every individual they hire for employment in the United States Although that requirement probably doesn’t apply to contractors. Edit: Major pitfall (or advantage depending on your perspective) of the I-9 system is that it only requires employers to fill out the form and “keep it on file” in case the government asks to see it. E-verify introduces the ability to share and verify that information digitally with the government (where without e-verify the form would just sit in someone’s filing cabinet or Google drive).
  - mcculley 3y ago
    I am an employer who is required to use E-Verify. Very few employers use E-Verify. There is no verification of the social security number done for an I-9 form if the employer is not using E-Verify.
    - cj 3y ago
      I-9 technically requires employers to inspect the original document (passport, or drivers license + social security card, or birth certificate + photo ID, etc). Photocopies not allowed. Inspecting the original document should be a high enough bar for verification (assuming the employer isn’t knowingly trying to subvert the system). E-verify exists to provide an alternative to inspecting the physical document. But in reality I’m guessing most small employers take shortcuts and don’t inspect the documents as they should or don’t keep records of I-9 at all (the form is very rarely needed for anything)
      - mcculley 3y ago
        How would an employer verify the authenticity of a social security card? It simply not done in almost all cases.
        cj 3y ago
        The SS card needs to be combined with a 2nd form of photo ID (or voter registration card, which I’ve always found odd since that sounds really easy to forge) But yes, someone could forge a SS card and a photo ID. It would be up to the employer to decide whether anything looks suspicious. Definitely not foolproof.
        mcculley 3y ago
        Yes, and the second form of identification need say nothing about legal eligibility to work. It would be a huge burden to ask the employer to verify these documents. I have worked in and with several businesses that knowingly turn a blind eye to the fake documents they photocopy/scan and file. The system is working as designed, propping up the businesses profiting from illegal labor. Those who claim to be upset about illegal immigration don't want E-Verify mandates. They want a permanent underpaid underclass.
- mcculley 3y ago
  No, New York does not require E-Verify. They proposed requiring it. They have also proposed forbidding its use: https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2023/S1802 https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2023/S1802 Politicians do not want to anger the criminal businesses profiting from illegal labor.

cscurmudgeon 3y ago

Is it mandatory in NY? If I remember correct, NY has also started complaining about illegal immigration.

cj 3y ago
Verifying employment eligibility is mandatory in all states. > All U.S. employers must properly complete Form I-9 for every individual they hire for employment in the United States Although that requirement probably doesn’t apply to contractors. Edit: Major pitfall (or advantage depending on your perspective) of the I-9 system is that it only requires employers to fill out the form and “keep it on file” in case the government asks to see it. E-verify introduces the ability to share and verify that information digitally with the government (where without e-verify the form would just sit in someone’s filing cabinet or Google drive).
- mcculley 3y ago
  I am an employer who is required to use E-Verify. Very few employers use E-Verify. There is no verification of the social security number done for an I-9 form if the employer is not using E-Verify.
  - cj 3y ago
    I-9 technically requires employers to inspect the original document (passport, or drivers license + social security card, or birth certificate + photo ID, etc). Photocopies not allowed. Inspecting the original document should be a high enough bar for verification (assuming the employer isn’t knowingly trying to subvert the system). E-verify exists to provide an alternative to inspecting the physical document. But in reality I’m guessing most small employers take shortcuts and don’t inspect the documents as they should or don’t keep records of I-9 at all (the form is very rarely needed for anything)
    - mcculley 3y ago
      How would an employer verify the authenticity of a social security card? It simply not done in almost all cases.
      - cj 3y ago
        The SS card needs to be combined with a 2nd form of photo ID (or voter registration card, which I’ve always found odd since that sounds really easy to forge) But yes, someone could forge a SS card and a photo ID. It would be up to the employer to decide whether anything looks suspicious. Definitely not foolproof.
        mcculley 3y ago
        Yes, and the second form of identification need say nothing about legal eligibility to work. It would be a huge burden to ask the employer to verify these documents. I have worked in and with several businesses that knowingly turn a blind eye to the fake documents they photocopy/scan and file. The system is working as designed, propping up the businesses profiting from illegal labor. Those who claim to be upset about illegal immigration don't want E-Verify mandates. They want a permanent underpaid underclass.
mcculley 3y ago
No, New York does not require E-Verify. They proposed requiring it. They have also proposed forbidding its use: https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2023/S1802 https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2023/S1802 Politicians do not want to anger the criminal businesses profiting from illegal labor.