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No one has seriously shot 24p in 2 decades but Aaron. Time to catch up man... It takes his crew 12 people lol, this isn't much worse then shooting existing 8 an
by spacecadet 3y ago
No one has seriously shot 24p in 2 decades but Aaron. Time to catch up man... It takes his crew 12 people lol, this isn't much worse then shooting existing 8 and 12k which at most is a single well trained DIT. I looked at this setup, its not any different, hype article.
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- CyberDildonics 3y agoNo one has seriously shot 24p in 2 decades but Aaron What is this supposed to mean? Movies are 24fps. Here is a short list of the movies that are not 24fps. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_with_high_frame_rates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_with_high_frame_... at most is a single well trained DIT Is DIT supposed to mean 'Document Image Transformer' here? This is photography, not upscaling.
- spacecadet 3y agoHaha, let me grab a random list too... yours is particularly bad because you didn't understand my point. Im talking about physical limitations of film, vs digital, vs human perception and the trade offs of budget, crew, and equipment. Shooting on a camera locked at 24fps is not equal to shooting 24fps. Spend the next 20 years doing it and come back to me.
- spacecadet 3y agoHere ya go, random list, tho mine is better matched to my point. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_shot_on_digital_video_prior_to_2012 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_shot_on_digita...
- CyberDildonics 3y agoyou didn't understand my point I still don't. You said something that wasn't true in any way, so I'm still not sure what the point is. Your list doesn't seem to make any sense or have any connection to what you're saying either. Im talking about physical limitations of film, vs digital, vs human perception and the trade offs of budget, crew, and equipment. If you say so, but what your comment actually said was that no one has shot 24fps in 20 years, which is nonsense. Then you said something about 18k not being impressive because someone could shoot at 8k and scale it up, but even that wasn't very clear.
- spacecadet 3y agoI think you're expecting 3 decades of cinema tech knowledge to be dumped on you in a comment. No one shoots true 24. Anymore. Nor does any modern studio want to. That doesnt mean content isnt finalized at 24... 18k is impressive, thats a-lot of heat. 12 people running a standard high res RAID, is not impressive and puffed up for press.
- CyberDildonics 3y agoNo one shoots true 24. Anymore. Nor does any modern studio want to. This is not true, where are you getting this information? Converting a high frame rate to a lower frame rate is not like resampling a high res image to a lower res image. You have to interpolate or throw out frames, both of which are terrible compared to just shooting in the frame rate you want.
- vardump 3y agoUnless it’s an integer multiple. Shrug.
- CyberDildonics 3y agoNope, if it's an integer multiple you still have to throw out frames and those frames could have been part of the motion blur of other frames instead. It isn't the same because instead of taking a single exposure for half the time the frame elapses you would have two frames, each exposed for a fourth of that same time.
- Kirby64 3y agoOr you just interpolate between frames if you want the same motion blur. It’s just like downsampling from 4k to 1080p. The process is clean since you can directly map 2 frames to 1 frame (or, 4 pixels to 1 pixel for resolution conversion).
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- crazygringo 3y ago> Shooting on a camera locked at 24fps is not equal to shooting 24fps. Care to explain? I know quite a bit about camera technology and don't have the slightest idea of what you mean with this sentence.
- ZiiS 3y agoThe only generous interpretation I can see is that Aronofsky uses extremely innovative techniques yet has long publicly voiced that he prefers to use analog film. For instance some of his signature style is short shots taken with cameras mounted on actors in dark conditions which vastly easier to realize with digital yet he has repeatedly chosen to use film. Whilst it is perfectly consistent that what would change his mind is an extremely powerful digital camera; it is also possible that the resulting PR spin causes some frustration to a generation of professionals who have been working in digital for 20 years and not been given shiny 18K cameras to play with.
- spacecadet 3y agoHe only did that in Pi. Maybe thats all he is known for, but I wouldn't call it his style anymore.
- ZiiS 3y agoAnd Requiem but yes that was only one example, he has an amazing and varied output.
- spacecadet 3y agoIt has nothing to do with tech. The same reason Daren shoots film is why I still shoot film, at any speeds. Since almost no one chooses to shoot true 24fps anymore, everything is sampled down and so everything I watch looks like shit. Sharp, but jittery shit. Use the tool for the situation. I actually respect the tech behind the sphere and 18k cameras, because it's purpose built and I imagine looks lovely in its native speed and fov. But Daren... this piece is gross man.
- kobalsky 3y agoyou come across as someone who doesn’t make sense or someone who knows but doesn’t know how to explain themselves across industry borders. you can assume everyone here is a bit technical, but not experts on film.
- roughly 3y agoI think as a general rule when you’re using technical specs to argue that one of the greatest practitioners of their generation of whatever art you’re describing is doing it wrong, it’s probably worth sitting back and contemplating what point you’re trying to make and whether you’ve maybe missed something important along the way.
- arp242 3y agoYeah, like that stupid one-eared Dutch painter who just did these kind of low-res pixelated paintings, unlike more realistic work like the old masters such as Rembrandt. What's his name again? I doubt anyone remembers, or if there's anything named after this doze.
- MikusR 3y agoHas anyone shot at 42.6666666667x24? Even earliest digital cameras had higher resolution.