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Node 12? Holy s** that is only 4 years old. Meanwhile in the real world most applications are running on 10+ year old stacks - Java 8, Python 2, Angular.js etc

by rr808 3y ago

Node 12? Holy s** that is only 4 years old. Meanwhile in the real world most applications are running on 10+ year old stacks - Java 8, Python 2, Angular.js etc etc

thfuran 3y ago
We just last month upgraded away from a dependency that seems to have been abandoned since about 2008.
wiseowise 3y ago
> Meanwhile in the real world most applications are running on 10+ year old stacks - Java 8, Python 2, Angular.js etc etc Source: trust me, bro
- corethree 3y ago
  The sky is blue. Source: trust me, bro The earth is round. Source: trust me, bro
- Scarblac 3y ago
  We retired our last Angular.js app literally last week, and have a project ongoing to replace the final Python 2 backend. And someone seriously suggested in a meeting last week to keep part of it around...
- AllegedAlec 3y ago
  We're running .net 4.5.2 Source: trust me, bro
  - ikekkdcjkfke 3y ago
    Many babies were thrown out with .net core though
    - AllegedAlec 3y ago
      We develop for systems that at of this time are still stuck on XP/Vista. We'd love to at least be able to progress to 4.8.1 but as of now we can't.
- patmcc 3y ago
  Do you think Oracle is supporting Java 8 until 2030 for funsies? If you work at tech companies led by tech people who think of their companies as tech companies, yah, you'll probably be on new(ish) versions. Most software isn't written at companies like that; it's written at boring business companies (like banks and utilities) that are led by business people who say "what do you mean to want to update java? Isn't it working fine? That would cost us a huge amount of money and be super risky and it's not even end-of-life. Go write more Java 8."
  - joshmanders 3y ago
    > Do you think Oracle is supporting Java 8 until 2030 for funsies? > "... it's not even end-of-life. Go write more Java 8." Sounds like Oracle is enabling this response by not EOL'ing it. Just like IE didn't die completely until Microsoft stopped supporting it.
  - rr808 3y ago
    Actually we have a mission critical application running Java 6. 8 remains a dream.
  - wiseowise 3y ago
    Our bank migrated to Java 17 year ago and plans to upgrade to Java 21 are in motion already.
baq 3y ago
Of the three, I’m somewhat surprised by myself thinking that Python 2 is actually easiest to upgrade!
deathanatos 3y ago
> the real world […] Python 2 I think what kills me most is when you encounter these codebases in the real world and you're like "wait … this entire startup is younger than Python 3 significantly", and younger than the point where there was good support from the ecosystem… Double bonus points these days if younger than the Python 2 deprecation date… (And yet every security team lists some variant of "keeping stuff updated" in their process docs, somehow.)
Xorakios 3y ago
Oh gosh darn you kids. During peak Covid I got calls about COBOL code I wrote in 1981 for Ranger Insurance company because it's still used for some reason at Igloo for ice buckets after the companies merged 40 years ago. And don't get me started on the Cold Fusion code I wrote in 1997 that probably still is buried somewhere in the Epic software that generates mycharts for HIPAA compliant doctor/patient reporting. Last year I was almost arrested for hacking when my real name triggered a security flag that I might be doing something evil when I really just needed a colonoscopy. Think the internet is forever? Try being scowled at for innocent code you wrote as a kid. And stay off my lawn...
- orangepanda 3y ago
  Tell me more about your lawn

by rr808 3y ago

Node 12? Holy s** that is only 4 years old. Meanwhile in the real world most applications are running on 10+ year old stacks - Java 8, Python 2, Angular.js etc etc

thfuran 3y ago

We just last month upgraded away from a dependency that seems to have been abandoned since about 2008.

wiseowise 3y ago

> Meanwhile in the real world most applications are running on 10+ year old stacks - Java 8, Python 2, Angular.js etc etc Source: trust me, bro

corethree 3y ago
The sky is blue. Source: trust me, bro The earth is round. Source: trust me, bro
Scarblac 3y ago
We retired our last Angular.js app literally last week, and have a project ongoing to replace the final Python 2 backend. And someone seriously suggested in a meeting last week to keep part of it around...
AllegedAlec 3y ago
We're running .net 4.5.2 Source: trust me, bro
- ikekkdcjkfke 3y ago
  Many babies were thrown out with .net core though
  - AllegedAlec 3y ago
    We develop for systems that at of this time are still stuck on XP/Vista. We'd love to at least be able to progress to 4.8.1 but as of now we can't.
patmcc 3y ago
Do you think Oracle is supporting Java 8 until 2030 for funsies? If you work at tech companies led by tech people who think of their companies as tech companies, yah, you'll probably be on new(ish) versions. Most software isn't written at companies like that; it's written at boring business companies (like banks and utilities) that are led by business people who say "what do you mean to want to update java? Isn't it working fine? That would cost us a huge amount of money and be super risky and it's not even end-of-life. Go write more Java 8."
- joshmanders 3y ago
  > Do you think Oracle is supporting Java 8 until 2030 for funsies? > "... it's not even end-of-life. Go write more Java 8." Sounds like Oracle is enabling this response by not EOL'ing it. Just like IE didn't die completely until Microsoft stopped supporting it.
- rr808 3y ago
  Actually we have a mission critical application running Java 6. 8 remains a dream.
- wiseowise 3y ago
  Our bank migrated to Java 17 year ago and plans to upgrade to Java 21 are in motion already.

baq 3y ago

Of the three, I’m somewhat surprised by myself thinking that Python 2 is actually easiest to upgrade!

deathanatos 3y ago

> the real world […] Python 2 I think what kills me most is when you encounter these codebases in the real world and you're like "wait … this entire startup is younger than Python 3 significantly", and younger than the point where there was good support from the ecosystem… Double bonus points these days if younger than the Python 2 deprecation date… (And yet every security team lists some variant of "keeping stuff updated" in their process docs, somehow.)

Xorakios 3y ago

Oh gosh darn you kids. During peak Covid I got calls about COBOL code I wrote in 1981 for Ranger Insurance company because it's still used for some reason at Igloo for ice buckets after the companies merged 40 years ago. And don't get me started on the Cold Fusion code I wrote in 1997 that probably still is buried somewhere in the Epic software that generates mycharts for HIPAA compliant doctor/patient reporting. Last year I was almost arrested for hacking when my real name triggered a security flag that I might be doing something evil when I really just needed a colonoscopy. Think the internet is forever? Try being scowled at for innocent code you wrote as a kid. And stay off my lawn...

orangepanda 3y ago
Tell me more about your lawn