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What are you using server side? I've been looking outside the JS world for an alternative for doing full stack dev and Laravel Livewire seems like an amazing a

by pier25 3y ago

What are you using server side? I've been looking outside the JS world for an alternative for doing full stack dev and Laravel Livewire seems like an amazing alternative for like 80-90% of use cases. Something like Alpine, vanilla, or even Lit for the more sophisticated interactions.

MyFirstSass 3y ago
I've used both Laravel and Python Flask. Both are very mature, fast and relatively simple of you strip them down. Though to be honest i'd like to go even more barebones on the backend and have experimented with pure PHP (which is also quite mature these days) + a few symphony - packages but isn't totally there yet.
nucleardog 3y ago
I’ve been super impressed with Livewire on several small projects. I’ve been sold these same sorts of promises before (yeah you write backend code and we put some glue in and then everything works like it’s running in browser) and usually it’s a case of a very narrow happy path and indescribable horror once you’ve fallen off and have to wade through or work around the “magic”. I did not go into Livewire with high hopes. Everything I tried to do with it basically just worked. Coming from a background where I’ve worked with PHP/Laravel/Blade quite a bit already, it was really easy to pick up. For stuff that Livewire isn’t necessarily the right fit for, alpine fills the gap perfectly and integrates well with Livewire. My Livewire component has one PHP class that contains, basically, the “controller” that exposes the BE actions for the component and a blade template that contains the “view”, including any basic FE interactivity inline by way of alpine. I use Tailwind and Tailwind UI pretty heavily, so all my styling is inline as well. I’ve found this pretty simple and easy to follow, reason about, and maintain. I’m pretty sure it’s the most fun I’ve had working on FE code in a long time. It’s definitely the most productive I’ve been. It takes no time to stand something up.
- pier25 3y ago
  Thanks for confirming my suspicions :)

by pier25 3y ago

MyFirstSass 3y ago

I've used both Laravel and Python Flask. Both are very mature, fast and relatively simple of you strip them down. Though to be honest i'd like to go even more barebones on the backend and have experimented with pure PHP (which is also quite mature these days) + a few symphony - packages but isn't totally there yet.

nucleardog 3y ago

I’ve been super impressed with Livewire on several small projects. I’ve been sold these same sorts of promises before (yeah you write backend code and we put some glue in and then everything works like it’s running in browser) and usually it’s a case of a very narrow happy path and indescribable horror once you’ve fallen off and have to wade through or work around the “magic”. I did not go into Livewire with high hopes. Everything I tried to do with it basically just worked. Coming from a background where I’ve worked with PHP/Laravel/Blade quite a bit already, it was really easy to pick up. For stuff that Livewire isn’t necessarily the right fit for, alpine fills the gap perfectly and integrates well with Livewire. My Livewire component has one PHP class that contains, basically, the “controller” that exposes the BE actions for the component and a blade template that contains the “view”, including any basic FE interactivity inline by way of alpine. I use Tailwind and Tailwind UI pretty heavily, so all my styling is inline as well. I’ve found this pretty simple and easy to follow, reason about, and maintain. I’m pretty sure it’s the most fun I’ve had working on FE code in a long time. It’s definitely the most productive I’ve been. It takes no time to stand something up.

pier25 3y ago
Thanks for confirming my suspicions :)