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As a developer I think it's hilarious that they specify that only "third party services" are not allowed. Nothing is stopping the streamer, as a first party, f

by elif 3y ago

As a developer I think it's hilarious that they specify that only "third party services" are not allowed. Nothing is stopping the streamer, as a first party, from combining chats.

hanniabu 3y ago
First party would refer to twitch
- a_cardboard_box 3y ago
  Then wouldn't the steamer be the second party? Still not third party!
  - charcircuit 3y ago
    No, streamers would still be 3rd party. I don't know it would be considered "using a 3rd party service" though.
    - distract8901 3y ago
      Streaming to twitch involves two parties. First, the service provider twitch, second the user uploading the video. Streaming to a second service introduces a third party.
      - charcircuit 3y ago
        That isn't what parties is referring to. 1st party: Twitch 2nd party: An entity Twitch has made an agreement with that lets them merge chats 3rd party: Everyone else
        heyoni 3y ago
        If Twitch made such an agreement, their ToS would clearly refer to the party they have this agreement with as a third party.
        charcircuit 3y ago
        That doesn't matter. Their ToS prohibits hacking them, but Twitch can hire an external security company to test their security.
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        bdowling 3y ago
        "Third party" just means anyone who isn't a party to the contract. They're called that because most contracts have two parties (e.g., buyer and seller, landlord and tenant, service provider and customer). Contracts can have three or more parties, but they're not usually numbered. The TV trope of incomprehensible legalese involving "the party of the first part" and "the party of the second part" is a joke that you won't actually find in modern agreements.
rvba 3y ago
As a developer you make the mistake of thinking that everyone is a developer. Many streamers are not technically adept. For them it would be easier to use a hypothetical Chat-Combiner-Third-Party-Service, but they are banned from that. They have to install some software on their computer (many cant), that software needs to be configured and nothing stops twich from pulling tricks ro break it. Basically they make it harder for streamers.

by elif 3y ago

As a developer I think it's hilarious that they specify that only "third party services" are not allowed. Nothing is stopping the streamer, as a first party, from combining chats.

hanniabu 3y ago

First party would refer to twitch

a_cardboard_box 3y ago
Then wouldn't the steamer be the second party? Still not third party!
- charcircuit 3y ago
  No, streamers would still be 3rd party. I don't know it would be considered "using a 3rd party service" though.
  - distract8901 3y ago
    Streaming to twitch involves two parties. First, the service provider twitch, second the user uploading the video. Streaming to a second service introduces a third party.
    - charcircuit 3y ago
      That isn't what parties is referring to. 1st party: Twitch 2nd party: An entity Twitch has made an agreement with that lets them merge chats 3rd party: Everyone else
      - heyoni 3y ago
        If Twitch made such an agreement, their ToS would clearly refer to the party they have this agreement with as a third party.
        charcircuit 3y ago
        That doesn't matter. Their ToS prohibits hacking them, but Twitch can hire an external security company to test their security.
      - deleted 3y ago
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      - bdowling 3y ago
        "Third party" just means anyone who isn't a party to the contract. They're called that because most contracts have two parties (e.g., buyer and seller, landlord and tenant, service provider and customer). Contracts can have three or more parties, but they're not usually numbered. The TV trope of incomprehensible legalese involving "the party of the first part" and "the party of the second part" is a joke that you won't actually find in modern agreements.

rvba 3y ago

As a developer you make the mistake of thinking that everyone is a developer. Many streamers are not technically adept. For them it would be easier to use a hypothetical Chat-Combiner-Third-Party-Service, but they are banned from that. They have to install some software on their computer (many cant), that software needs to be configured and nothing stops twich from pulling tricks ro break it. Basically they make it harder for streamers.