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> Why do you need a baby? > Do you need to grow your own, or could you adopt? > Is it about birth itself? Does it have to be a human baby? > Does the baby ne

> Why do you need a baby? > Do you need to grow your own, or could you adopt? > Is it about birth itself? Does it have to be a human baby? > Does the baby need to be related to you? > What if we hire a baby actor? …

CipherThrowaway 3y ago
Honestly, asking these kinds of business level questions as a dev is a great way to be seen as stubborn and uncooperative in businesses where the mindset of the OP comment has taken root. The managers who complain about their devs not thinking at the business level are usually the ones shooting them down when they do. Why are the coders questioning why we need the baby?
- rrr_oh_man 3y ago
  It might be, if it’s directionless pushback instead of genuine curiosity to understand the need of the internal customer. From my personal experience, people are often positively delighted when you make an effort to try to understand them and their needs. Not shooting down your experience, but from my perspective it could be seen as a straw man argument in favour of never trying in the first place.
  - CipherThrowaway 3y ago
    I'm not saying "don't try." And I'm also not disagreeing that people, on the whole, respond well to attempts to understand them and communicate with them. My observation is that it is ultimately organizational culture that frames the way people communicate and how they understand each other. Individuals can move the needle a bit depending on the size of the company and their position in it. But largely they are powerless against the prevailing culture. In a healthy organization, your efforts to understand the rest of the business and its needs will be accepted as you intend and will benefit yourself, your team and the business. In the average toxic organization, your good intentions won't matter and your questions won't be received the way you intend. Staying upbeat and helpful in these environments might even result in you being punished.
    - rrr_oh_man 3y ago
      Thanks for the clarification!
thesnide 3y ago
That's the best reply to the baby analogy i saw. Thanks.
- rrr_oh_man 3y ago
  <3

CipherThrowaway 3y ago

Honestly, asking these kinds of business level questions as a dev is a great way to be seen as stubborn and uncooperative in businesses where the mindset of the OP comment has taken root. The managers who complain about their devs not thinking at the business level are usually the ones shooting them down when they do. Why are the coders questioning why we need the baby?

rrr_oh_man 3y ago
It might be, if it’s directionless pushback instead of genuine curiosity to understand the need of the internal customer. From my personal experience, people are often positively delighted when you make an effort to try to understand them and their needs. Not shooting down your experience, but from my perspective it could be seen as a straw man argument in favour of never trying in the first place.
- CipherThrowaway 3y ago
  I'm not saying "don't try." And I'm also not disagreeing that people, on the whole, respond well to attempts to understand them and communicate with them. My observation is that it is ultimately organizational culture that frames the way people communicate and how they understand each other. Individuals can move the needle a bit depending on the size of the company and their position in it. But largely they are powerless against the prevailing culture. In a healthy organization, your efforts to understand the rest of the business and its needs will be accepted as you intend and will benefit yourself, your team and the business. In the average toxic organization, your good intentions won't matter and your questions won't be received the way you intend. Staying upbeat and helpful in these environments might even result in you being punished.
  - rrr_oh_man 3y ago
    Thanks for the clarification!

thesnide 3y ago

That's the best reply to the baby analogy i saw. Thanks.

rrr_oh_man 3y ago
<3