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All parties involved should be ashamed. The ones pulling out are endorsing war crimes, and Cosgrove should not have crumbled like he did. The Israeli genocide m

All parties involved should be ashamed. The ones pulling out are endorsing war crimes, and Cosgrove should not have crumbled like he did. The Israeli genocide must be stopped.

metadat 3y ago
To be clear, the Israelis are the ones performing genocide against Palestinians.
- cylinder714 3y ago
  Have you read the Hamas Charter? It's been a while for me, I do need to brush up, but a reading may provide some useful context.
  - metadat 3y ago
    Israelis are using the cover of retaliation against Hamas to oppress, slaughter, and genocide Palestinian civilians en mass. They also won't let the civilians exit the area of the Gaza strip, the people are trapped. It doesn't get more cut and dry than this. For example, see: https://crimethinc.com/2023/10/17/from-the-galilee-to-gaza-a-voice-from-palestine-1 https://crimethinc.com/2023/10/17/from-the-galilee-to-gaza-a...
    - ponector 3y ago
      Why Egipt wouldn't let in fellow Muslim brothers from Gaza? Why any other country wouldn't help people from Gaza? Why people from Gaza wouldn't fight against hamas rule and are celebrating on the streets genocide of Israeli?
      - mnky9800n 3y ago
        None of those questions have anything to do with the violence the Israelis are choosing to propagate.
  - catlover76 3y ago
    Nobody here or involved with Web Summit is denying that Hamas are bad, but, as pointed out, this is being used an excuse and justification for widespread carnage and basically indiscriminate killing of civilians. Their charter is not a document that gives other countries license to do what is being done.
- ronjobber 3y ago
  Please explain to me, explicitly, how they are committing genocide? You can make an argument for ethnic cleansing where the facts would warrant a discussion. But please, give me the evidence you see for genocide.
  - metadat 3y ago
    Sir or madame, please at least look up the definition before posting, because this is pure nonsense. > Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part. Are you saying that, from your perspective, ethnic cleansing is more okay than genocide? This kind of hair splitting is disgusting, and doesn't even apply to this scenario. Just stop it. Real people in real life, who are innocent, are being murdered in cold blood by Israelis who won't even give them the opportunity to leave the area, much less live a peaceful coexistence.
    - ronjobber 3y ago
      I am fully aware of the definition of genocide. There have been three in modern times: the Holocaust, the Armenian genocide, and the Rwandan genocide. Go look at a map of the airstrikes and tell me Israel is indiscriminately bombing with the explicit intent to kill civilians. And yes, I am implying that ethnic cleansing is more okay than genocide. In case this needs to be stated: I do not think either are good things. Live a peaceful coexistence? Is that really what you think this is about? Why won't Egypt give innocent civilians the opportunity to leave the area? Why won't Jordan? I personally think Israel should do more to limit civilian casualties, and they need to get the West Bank settlers back the fuck out from the Green Line. But the rhetoric you're using tries to cast the whole thing as a Manichean fantasy. Who does that help?
      - generj 3y ago
        By only listing three examples, I am suspect that you do understand the definition of genocide. There have been many, many more than three genocides in modern times. Since the Armenian Genocide qualifies as modern, anything post 1913 or so qualifies - that’s a minimum of 33 Genocides [0]. The Political Instability Task Force estimated that 43 genocides occurred between 1956 and 2016, resulting in about 50 million deaths (probably using a more flexible definition of genocide) [1]. There are at least three ongoing genocides right now: Rohingya, Uyghur, and Darfur. Toss on Ukraine onto that list (forcibly transferring children of the group to another group is genocidal, and they have been doing that). Azerbaijan genocide of Armenians is also happening though it hasn’t been as broadly confirmed yet. But many people argue the Genocide Convention has too narrow of a definition, and excludes things like the Yemen civil war, the conflict in Palestine / Israel. A review of the ten steps of genocide by Genocide Watch finds 6/10 steps are being followed [2]. “Imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group”, such as denying entry of food, is a qualifier of genocide under the Genocide Convention. The current level of food imports into Gaza is low enough that this is arguably a true accusation. It doesn’t matter if Israel does this unilaterally or alongside Egypt, it’s still collective punishment and a war crime, and probably genocidal. Apologies for Wikipedia links, but I saw three modern genocides and immediately knew that was wildly off. Better sources exist but these are sufficient to show much higher than three have occurred. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide [2] https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/genocide-emergency-alert-israel-and-gaza https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/genocide-emergency...

All parties involved should be ashamed. The ones pulling out are endorsing war crimes, and Cosgrove should not have crumbled like he did. The Israeli genocide must be stopped.

metadat 3y ago

To be clear, the Israelis are the ones performing genocide against Palestinians.

cylinder714 3y ago
Have you read the Hamas Charter? It's been a while for me, I do need to brush up, but a reading may provide some useful context.
- metadat 3y ago
  Israelis are using the cover of retaliation against Hamas to oppress, slaughter, and genocide Palestinian civilians en mass. They also won't let the civilians exit the area of the Gaza strip, the people are trapped. It doesn't get more cut and dry than this. For example, see: https://crimethinc.com/2023/10/17/from-the-galilee-to-gaza-a-voice-from-palestine-1 https://crimethinc.com/2023/10/17/from-the-galilee-to-gaza-a...
  - ponector 3y ago
    Why Egipt wouldn't let in fellow Muslim brothers from Gaza? Why any other country wouldn't help people from Gaza? Why people from Gaza wouldn't fight against hamas rule and are celebrating on the streets genocide of Israeli?
    - mnky9800n 3y ago
      None of those questions have anything to do with the violence the Israelis are choosing to propagate.
- catlover76 3y ago
  Nobody here or involved with Web Summit is denying that Hamas are bad, but, as pointed out, this is being used an excuse and justification for widespread carnage and basically indiscriminate killing of civilians. Their charter is not a document that gives other countries license to do what is being done.
ronjobber 3y ago
Please explain to me, explicitly, how they are committing genocide? You can make an argument for ethnic cleansing where the facts would warrant a discussion. But please, give me the evidence you see for genocide.
- metadat 3y ago
  Sir or madame, please at least look up the definition before posting, because this is pure nonsense. > Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part. Are you saying that, from your perspective, ethnic cleansing is more okay than genocide? This kind of hair splitting is disgusting, and doesn't even apply to this scenario. Just stop it. Real people in real life, who are innocent, are being murdered in cold blood by Israelis who won't even give them the opportunity to leave the area, much less live a peaceful coexistence.
  - ronjobber 3y ago
    I am fully aware of the definition of genocide. There have been three in modern times: the Holocaust, the Armenian genocide, and the Rwandan genocide. Go look at a map of the airstrikes and tell me Israel is indiscriminately bombing with the explicit intent to kill civilians. And yes, I am implying that ethnic cleansing is more okay than genocide. In case this needs to be stated: I do not think either are good things. Live a peaceful coexistence? Is that really what you think this is about? Why won't Egypt give innocent civilians the opportunity to leave the area? Why won't Jordan? I personally think Israel should do more to limit civilian casualties, and they need to get the West Bank settlers back the fuck out from the Green Line. But the rhetoric you're using tries to cast the whole thing as a Manichean fantasy. Who does that help?
    - generj 3y ago
      By only listing three examples, I am suspect that you do understand the definition of genocide. There have been many, many more than three genocides in modern times. Since the Armenian Genocide qualifies as modern, anything post 1913 or so qualifies - that’s a minimum of 33 Genocides [0]. The Political Instability Task Force estimated that 43 genocides occurred between 1956 and 2016, resulting in about 50 million deaths (probably using a more flexible definition of genocide) [1]. There are at least three ongoing genocides right now: Rohingya, Uyghur, and Darfur. Toss on Ukraine onto that list (forcibly transferring children of the group to another group is genocidal, and they have been doing that). Azerbaijan genocide of Armenians is also happening though it hasn’t been as broadly confirmed yet. But many people argue the Genocide Convention has too narrow of a definition, and excludes things like the Yemen civil war, the conflict in Palestine / Israel. A review of the ten steps of genocide by Genocide Watch finds 6/10 steps are being followed [2]. “Imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group”, such as denying entry of food, is a qualifier of genocide under the Genocide Convention. The current level of food imports into Gaza is low enough that this is arguably a true accusation. It doesn’t matter if Israel does this unilaterally or alongside Egypt, it’s still collective punishment and a war crime, and probably genocidal. Apologies for Wikipedia links, but I saw three modern genocides and immediately knew that was wildly off. Better sources exist but these are sufficient to show much higher than three have occurred. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide [2] https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/genocide-emergency-alert-israel-and-gaza https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/genocide-emergency...