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tyingq 3y ago
It's still quoted that way by some major news organizations[1], though now the stories have "Gaza Officials Claim..." they didn't earlier. Though they seem to now be trying a new "it's not clear" angle[2]. Note there's also plenty of misinformation on other news items that's in Israel's favor. Personally, it's hard for me to cast too much judgement on this particular kind of reporting, given there's quite a lot of indiscriminate bombing in densely populated areas. And a huge incentive to use anything you can to help promote a cease fire. [1] One example: https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2023/10/17/photos-an-israeli-air-raid-on-al-ahli-arab-hospital-kills-an-estimated-500 https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2023/10/17/photos-an-israe... [2] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/20/what-have-open-source-videos-revealed-about-the-gaza-hospital-explosion https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/20/what-have-open-sou...
chasil 3y ago
This is an article on the Times of Israel on the subject: https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-presents-evidence-misfired-gazan-rocket-caused-hospital-blast-slams-hamas-lies/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-presents-evidence-misfired... This article exposes a recorded telephone conversation (which could easily be faked) that this was "friendly fire." The lack of a crater at the impact site, and minimal damage to surrounding buildings, rules out the standard ordinance used by the IDF (although something custom could have been used in this case in an elaborate attempt to shift/inflict blame, but unlikely by reason of Occam's Razor). This article on Al Jazeera reports the assessment of French intelligence that the IDF was not responsible: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/21/french-intel-says-palestinian-rocket-likely-cause-of-gaza-hospital-blast https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/21/french-intel-says-... The above article casts some doubt on the Israeli assertions (and French assessment) and reports on calls by the U.N. for a full investigation. The well-known video of the explosion has a high-pitched whine which would not be heard in the standard munitions used by the IDF, which do not have propulsion as I understand. https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2023/10/18/gaza-health-ministry-says-hundreds-killed-in-strike-on-gaza-hospital https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2023/10/18/gaza-h... This is either an accidental weapons malfunction, or a false-flag attempt, but the later seems unlikely as the Israeli government response seemed somewhat muted if it were planned by them.
- meiraleal 3y ago
  "Our weapons are too good to have made it, it was obviously themselves"
  - chasil 3y ago
    I would say that the probability of a false flag is not zero. The question would be who, how, and why.
    - meiraleal 3y ago
      I would say the probability of being IDF is 100%. The length people will go to lie and pretend to not is what is up to debate now.

Source?

It's still quoted that way by some major news organizations[1], though now the stories have "Gaza Officials Claim..." they didn't earlier. Though they seem to now be trying a new "it's not clear" angle[2]. Note there's also plenty of misinformation on other news items that's in Israel's favor. Personally, it's hard for me to cast too much judgement on this particular kind of reporting, given there's quite a lot of indiscriminate bombing in densely populated areas. And a huge incentive to use anything you can to help promote a cease fire. [1] One example: https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2023/10/17/photos-an-israeli-air-raid-on-al-ahli-arab-hospital-kills-an-estimated-500 https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2023/10/17/photos-an-israe... [2] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/20/what-have-open-source-videos-revealed-about-the-gaza-hospital-explosion https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/20/what-have-open-sou...

chasil 3y ago

This is an article on the Times of Israel on the subject: https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-presents-evidence-misfired-gazan-rocket-caused-hospital-blast-slams-hamas-lies/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-presents-evidence-misfired... This article exposes a recorded telephone conversation (which could easily be faked) that this was "friendly fire." The lack of a crater at the impact site, and minimal damage to surrounding buildings, rules out the standard ordinance used by the IDF (although something custom could have been used in this case in an elaborate attempt to shift/inflict blame, but unlikely by reason of Occam's Razor). This article on Al Jazeera reports the assessment of French intelligence that the IDF was not responsible: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/21/french-intel-says-palestinian-rocket-likely-cause-of-gaza-hospital-blast https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/21/french-intel-says-... The above article casts some doubt on the Israeli assertions (and French assessment) and reports on calls by the U.N. for a full investigation. The well-known video of the explosion has a high-pitched whine which would not be heard in the standard munitions used by the IDF, which do not have propulsion as I understand. https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2023/10/18/gaza-health-ministry-says-hundreds-killed-in-strike-on-gaza-hospital https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2023/10/18/gaza-h... This is either an accidental weapons malfunction, or a false-flag attempt, but the later seems unlikely as the Israeli government response seemed somewhat muted if it were planned by them.

meiraleal 3y ago
"Our weapons are too good to have made it, it was obviously themselves"
- chasil 3y ago
  I would say that the probability of a false flag is not zero. The question would be who, how, and why.
  - meiraleal 3y ago
    I would say the probability of being IDF is 100%. The length people will go to lie and pretend to not is what is up to debate now.