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I rewatched Blade Runner yesterday and I don’t think I could disagree more. If anything, films from the 80s like BR were far more impressive and well made than

I rewatched Blade Runner yesterday and I don’t think I could disagree more. If anything, films from the 80s like BR were far more impressive and well made than anything coming out today. The level of minute details, background sounds, interesting lighting, etc. etc. is levels beyond any big budget film from the last decade. Every time I watch something like the more recent 2049 BR or Dune films, I’m struck by how empty and boring it all feels. Everything today is too polished, too streamlined. It’s not organic or natural feeling at all. Here are two clips to compare. The more recent film is typical of movies today: too digital, too clean, not enough movement or energy. Original Blade Runner: https://youtu.be/vbRRL7S2Tg0?si=gwMJvEr8fj11vUkU https://youtu.be/vbRRL7S2Tg0?si=gwMJvEr8fj11vUkU 2049: https://youtu.be/opDlMeqRACI?si=Eu2SCx7F_s4lvXLx https://youtu.be/opDlMeqRACI?si=Eu2SCx7F_s4lvXLx

stoneforger 3y ago
Both films you mention are from Dennis Villeneuve, it's probably just his stylistic look and cinematography in general that you don't like. There are much better examples of bad cinema to contrast against Blade Runner, plus there's not a lot of neonoir.
- keiferski 3y ago
  I’m aware both are by the same director, and I used them as examples of modern style as a whole. It’s not merely his stylistic look.
  - AlotOfReading 3y ago
    What other directors do you think look like him? I actually like his style, so more would be great. It's essentially cinematic brutalism, which I think is perfect for stories like blade runner and Dune. The intimating and oppressive environments do a great job visually communicating the dystopian societies to the viewer.
    - keiferski 3y ago
      I think you'd have a difficult time distinguishing his films from most other sci-fi films made today. It's minimal, overly digital, lacking in atmosphere or "dirtiness" that gave so many 80s films their atmosphere. Just watch Escape from New York, or Blade Runner, or The Fifth Element and compare them to something made today.
Terr_ 3y ago
> films from the 80s like BR There's a lot of time between 1980 and now, but I think The Fifth Element (1997) maybe a useful data point when it comes to little details in sci-fi. For example, when Dallas is at home having a cigarette, and the "filter" portion is bigger than the rest of it.
stickfigure 3y ago
Both of those scenes are wonderful in their own way. What is your issue? I do notice that high-resolution, high-framerate digital images have to work a lot harder than film to look realistic. I'm not sure this is a fair comparison.
corethree 3y ago
That's because nostalgia warps your perception of reality. Let's say you never watched either movie and you were born in the 2000s. 2049 is obviously the superior movie. Likely you were around when the original blade runner came out so your bias is already set.
- keiferski 3y ago
  I wasn't alive in the 80s, so it's definitely not nostalgia.
- arnaudvalette 3y ago
  I don't understand how you seem to have no problem to say "2049 is obviously the superior movie". In the end your opinion is still an opinion, and your opinions warps your perception of reality. I prefer the vibrant, dusty, chaotic mood of the first one rather than the minimalistic and controlled approach of the second. The town is much more interesting to me in the first than in the second movie, and that's not due to nostalgia. I frankly find the idea that nostalgia is warping your perception of reality to be funny; aren't your tastes doing the same, and what about your whole brain ? We are talking about a cultural entity, it's not like if we had the ability to talk without any bias.
  - corethree 3y ago
    I would say the majority of people who are younger when given the opportunity to watch both will share the same opinion as me. It could be my perception is warped. All humans are biased and delusional but those who can't admit their bias are more biased then those who can. >I frankly find the idea that nostalgia is warping your perception of reality to be funny; aren't your tastes doing the same, and what about your whole brain ? Just talk to a bunch of young people. You realize a ton of zoomers don't give a shit about star wars? They really don't get it at all. Millennials all generally get why it's big. Go even further back talk to older people and they like stuff that's ludicrously bad. Hitchcock for example while classic, has not aged well at all. I get scared easily by scary movies and I just laughed at Hitchcock stuff. It was the first of it's time, but story telling like technology has improved. If you find all of this funny. If you refuse to believe that we all can have our perceptions warped by nostalgia, then I am telling you. The warping of your perception by nostalgia is so strong that you can't even admit that this phenomenon which is so obvious to most people even occurs.
gcanyon 3y ago
I don't know how I knew, but as soon as I saw the links, I knew I was going to hear the words "He say you blade runner." Although I'm a fan of the voiceover version, so I also expected, "Sushi. Cold fish. That's what my wife used to call me." So partial credit for me.

stoneforger 3y ago

Both films you mention are from Dennis Villeneuve, it's probably just his stylistic look and cinematography in general that you don't like. There are much better examples of bad cinema to contrast against Blade Runner, plus there's not a lot of neonoir.

keiferski 3y ago
I’m aware both are by the same director, and I used them as examples of modern style as a whole. It’s not merely his stylistic look.
- AlotOfReading 3y ago
  What other directors do you think look like him? I actually like his style, so more would be great. It's essentially cinematic brutalism, which I think is perfect for stories like blade runner and Dune. The intimating and oppressive environments do a great job visually communicating the dystopian societies to the viewer.
  - keiferski 3y ago
    I think you'd have a difficult time distinguishing his films from most other sci-fi films made today. It's minimal, overly digital, lacking in atmosphere or "dirtiness" that gave so many 80s films their atmosphere. Just watch Escape from New York, or Blade Runner, or The Fifth Element and compare them to something made today.

Terr_ 3y ago

> films from the 80s like BR There's a lot of time between 1980 and now, but I think The Fifth Element (1997) maybe a useful data point when it comes to little details in sci-fi. For example, when Dallas is at home having a cigarette, and the "filter" portion is bigger than the rest of it.

stickfigure 3y ago

Both of those scenes are wonderful in their own way. What is your issue? I do notice that high-resolution, high-framerate digital images have to work a lot harder than film to look realistic. I'm not sure this is a fair comparison.

corethree 3y ago

That's because nostalgia warps your perception of reality. Let's say you never watched either movie and you were born in the 2000s. 2049 is obviously the superior movie. Likely you were around when the original blade runner came out so your bias is already set.

keiferski 3y ago
I wasn't alive in the 80s, so it's definitely not nostalgia.
arnaudvalette 3y ago
I don't understand how you seem to have no problem to say "2049 is obviously the superior movie". In the end your opinion is still an opinion, and your opinions warps your perception of reality. I prefer the vibrant, dusty, chaotic mood of the first one rather than the minimalistic and controlled approach of the second. The town is much more interesting to me in the first than in the second movie, and that's not due to nostalgia. I frankly find the idea that nostalgia is warping your perception of reality to be funny; aren't your tastes doing the same, and what about your whole brain ? We are talking about a cultural entity, it's not like if we had the ability to talk without any bias.
- corethree 3y ago
  I would say the majority of people who are younger when given the opportunity to watch both will share the same opinion as me. It could be my perception is warped. All humans are biased and delusional but those who can't admit their bias are more biased then those who can. >I frankly find the idea that nostalgia is warping your perception of reality to be funny; aren't your tastes doing the same, and what about your whole brain ? Just talk to a bunch of young people. You realize a ton of zoomers don't give a shit about star wars? They really don't get it at all. Millennials all generally get why it's big. Go even further back talk to older people and they like stuff that's ludicrously bad. Hitchcock for example while classic, has not aged well at all. I get scared easily by scary movies and I just laughed at Hitchcock stuff. It was the first of it's time, but story telling like technology has improved. If you find all of this funny. If you refuse to believe that we all can have our perceptions warped by nostalgia, then I am telling you. The warping of your perception by nostalgia is so strong that you can't even admit that this phenomenon which is so obvious to most people even occurs.

gcanyon 3y ago

I don't know how I knew, but as soon as I saw the links, I knew I was going to hear the words "He say you blade runner." Although I'm a fan of the voiceover version, so I also expected, "Sushi. Cold fish. That's what my wife used to call me." So partial credit for me.