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Then you likely will feel that Kristina Wong should also be arrested, tried, and imprisoned for her own tweet: "Hey Trump Supporters! Skip poll lines at #Electi

Then you likely will feel that Kristina Wong should also be arrested, tried, and imprisoned for her own tweet: "Hey Trump Supporters! Skip poll lines at #Election2016 and TEXT in your vote! Text votes are legit. Or vote tomorrow on Super Wednesday!" https://twitter.com/i/web/status/795999059987173377 https://twitter.com/i/web/status/795999059987173377

uberman 3y ago
Yes, that seems like the same thing. Of course if she posted as a comedian rather than using an alias that was an influential voice in politics that might change the dynamics.
jacquesm 3y ago
Indeed I do. I don't think anybody should mess with other people's ability to vote, even when joking, though, when clearly joking it's going to be much harder to argue that it is interfering with the elections. But it's similar to joking about bombs to customs people. Which is also why I think gerrymandering shouldn't be legal because it effectively disenfranchises people and why I think convicts and ex-convicts should also be able to vote. Everybody of voting age should be able to vote and anybody interfering with that should be penalized swiftly.
anigbrowl 3y ago
Now do a side-by-side comparison of the two situations - one an extended planned campaign with fake text messaging accounts etc, the other a spontaneous day-of joke by someone whose political affiliations were open and not concealed. Unfortunately for Mackey and his defenders, juries are actually kinda good at understanding context.
- tatrajim 3y ago
  "a spontaneous day-of joke by someone whose political affiliations were open and not concealed." Spontaneous? Look at the tweet and the elaborate preparations that went into preparing for it, replete with hat and campaign paraphernalia. Political affiliations open and not concealed: she identifies explicitly as a Trump supporter and is clearly targeting Chinese-Americans, some of whom may not have been familiar with the U.S. voting calendar. Here is her carefully prepared script that she reads: "Hey everybody, this is Kristina Wong. I'm coming out, I'm a Trump supporter. I just want to remind all my fellow Chinese Americans for Trump, and people of color for Trump, to vote for Trump on Wednesday, November 9th. Really important day, we're going to show this country who is boss, and that's are man, Donald Trump. Don't forget to vote Donald Trump on November 9th. " In my opinion, this tweet crossed a line and was aiming at influencing the election among Chinese-American voters. However, it is not surprising that the Justice Department chose not to indict her. As a supporter of the ruling party, she is apparently invulnerable. Indeed the tweet is still up.
  - anigbrowl 3y ago
    The fact that she's a full time professional comedian and virtually all her tweets are jokes is the context you're claiming to be unaware of an incapable of discerning.
    - tatrajim 3y ago
      I miss any humor in her appealing, in full republican regalia, to "my fellow Chinese Americans for Trump, and people of color for Trump, to vote for Trump on Wednesday, November 9th." Is the humor that "wink wink, these idiot C-A Trump voters are so off-the-boat clueless that they might just believe this misinformation. ha, ha. After all if they're so brainless as to vote for that guy, they'll believe anything, yuck, yuck, what dummies!" ? Or is it, "See, clever me, what I'm doing here -- in my gd brilliant postmodern manner -- is to simultaneously convey election disinformation while hiding behind a fig leaf defense of cutting edge parody of a clueless Trump voter, yuck yuck, they'll never be able to say a word, cause I have poc privilege and everyone knows it, jokes on them, aren't I just so cool" ? Or...? I'm really struggling to see the comedy, so do let me know.
      - anigbrowl 3y ago
        No, I don't think you are really struggling. I think you're just choosing to ignore the clearly stated context and keep repeating your original point in increasingly whiny language.
        tatrajim 3y ago
        "The clearly stated context?" Surely, it's her own words, in her own voice: "Hey everybody, this is Kristina Wong. I'm coming out, I'm a Trump supporter. I just want to remind all my fellow Chinese Americans for Trump, and people of color for Trump, to vote for Trump on Wednesday, November 9th." You claimed: "virtually all her tweets are jokes is the context'. I asked you to explain the joke in this case and provided two plausible possibilities, both of which I did not find to be comedic but merely sarcastically contemptuous, and asked your own explanation lest I had missed something. You chose to evade my simple request. Still waiting. Surely explaining something as transparent as a tweet's humorous thrust should be easy?

uberman 3y ago

Yes, that seems like the same thing. Of course if she posted as a comedian rather than using an alias that was an influential voice in politics that might change the dynamics.

jacquesm 3y ago

Indeed I do. I don't think anybody should mess with other people's ability to vote, even when joking, though, when clearly joking it's going to be much harder to argue that it is interfering with the elections. But it's similar to joking about bombs to customs people. Which is also why I think gerrymandering shouldn't be legal because it effectively disenfranchises people and why I think convicts and ex-convicts should also be able to vote. Everybody of voting age should be able to vote and anybody interfering with that should be penalized swiftly.

anigbrowl 3y ago

Now do a side-by-side comparison of the two situations - one an extended planned campaign with fake text messaging accounts etc, the other a spontaneous day-of joke by someone whose political affiliations were open and not concealed. Unfortunately for Mackey and his defenders, juries are actually kinda good at understanding context.

tatrajim 3y ago
"a spontaneous day-of joke by someone whose political affiliations were open and not concealed." Spontaneous? Look at the tweet and the elaborate preparations that went into preparing for it, replete with hat and campaign paraphernalia. Political affiliations open and not concealed: she identifies explicitly as a Trump supporter and is clearly targeting Chinese-Americans, some of whom may not have been familiar with the U.S. voting calendar. Here is her carefully prepared script that she reads: "Hey everybody, this is Kristina Wong. I'm coming out, I'm a Trump supporter. I just want to remind all my fellow Chinese Americans for Trump, and people of color for Trump, to vote for Trump on Wednesday, November 9th. Really important day, we're going to show this country who is boss, and that's are man, Donald Trump. Don't forget to vote Donald Trump on November 9th. " In my opinion, this tweet crossed a line and was aiming at influencing the election among Chinese-American voters. However, it is not surprising that the Justice Department chose not to indict her. As a supporter of the ruling party, she is apparently invulnerable. Indeed the tweet is still up.
- anigbrowl 3y ago
  The fact that she's a full time professional comedian and virtually all her tweets are jokes is the context you're claiming to be unaware of an incapable of discerning.
  - tatrajim 3y ago
    I miss any humor in her appealing, in full republican regalia, to "my fellow Chinese Americans for Trump, and people of color for Trump, to vote for Trump on Wednesday, November 9th." Is the humor that "wink wink, these idiot C-A Trump voters are so off-the-boat clueless that they might just believe this misinformation. ha, ha. After all if they're so brainless as to vote for that guy, they'll believe anything, yuck, yuck, what dummies!" ? Or is it, "See, clever me, what I'm doing here -- in my gd brilliant postmodern manner -- is to simultaneously convey election disinformation while hiding behind a fig leaf defense of cutting edge parody of a clueless Trump voter, yuck yuck, they'll never be able to say a word, cause I have poc privilege and everyone knows it, jokes on them, aren't I just so cool" ? Or...? I'm really struggling to see the comedy, so do let me know.
    - anigbrowl 3y ago
      No, I don't think you are really struggling. I think you're just choosing to ignore the clearly stated context and keep repeating your original point in increasingly whiny language.
      - tatrajim 3y ago
        "The clearly stated context?" Surely, it's her own words, in her own voice: "Hey everybody, this is Kristina Wong. I'm coming out, I'm a Trump supporter. I just want to remind all my fellow Chinese Americans for Trump, and people of color for Trump, to vote for Trump on Wednesday, November 9th." You claimed: "virtually all her tweets are jokes is the context'. I asked you to explain the joke in this case and provided two plausible possibilities, both of which I did not find to be comedic but merely sarcastically contemptuous, and asked your own explanation lest I had missed something. You chose to evade my simple request. Still waiting. Surely explaining something as transparent as a tweet's humorous thrust should be easy?