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Whats funny is Americans are so adamant that their standards of living have been dropping for 30 years, but then support unfettered immigration. The immigration

Whats funny is Americans are so adamant that their standards of living have been dropping for 30 years, but then support unfettered immigration. The immigration does boost the economy and leads to technical innovation, but there is a real cost to the standard of living. Also discrimination against Americans in H1B heavy companies is rampant.

spamizbad 3y ago
If you're wealthier but your standard of living is dropping that can point to many things, but one big one is a labor shortage.
- ldjkfkdsjnv 3y ago
  Theres no labor shortage, companies have been reaping record profits and not paying it out to employees. Thats why the standard of living is dropping. Its basic economics
  - vkou 3y ago
    Unemployment is at historic lows.
    - ldjkfkdsjnv 3y ago
      Unemployment at historic lows, cost of living at all time highs. Something isnt adding up
      - vkou 3y ago
        1. Rent-seekers are sucking up all the productive surplus out of the economy, raising the cost of a lot of things. 2. People doing work vital for society got raises, which was made possible by bargaining power that they gained from low unemployment. This, naturally, results in higher prices for anything that their labour produces. 3. Shortages. None of these are the fault of the immigrant boogieman.
- networkchad 3y ago
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- gosub100 3y ago
  they have to create a shortage in order to get H1b labor. So they refuse to negotiate on salary and complain to their lawmakers that they had these openings posted for X months and only filled Y% of them! we just can't find talent!
zb1plus 3y ago
Immigration is not what is killing standards of living. Do you have any proof of discrimination against Americans in H1B heavy companies? I am pretty skeptical given the lottery nature of HB1 and the number of racist politicians who would love to amplify this narrative if even with dubious evidence of such discrimination
- ldjkfkdsjnv 3y ago
  I have worked at multiple FAANGs. Organizations at both Facebook and Amazon end up hiring and promoting the same group of people immigrating from the same country. Teams of 50+ consolidate around ethnic background. Its completely absurd for anyone to argue this isnt going on
  - jonathankoren 3y ago
    And yet you provide no proof of immigration status, just racism. The very idea that an immigrant could be a permanent resident, or gasp as citizen nowhere in your brain. Goddamn foreigners. Coming over here and taking jobs you ain’t qualify to do.
    - DontchaKnowit 3y ago
      This is why having amy sort of coherent conversation about immigration is totally fruitless- people like you just want to call people racist. Nice job.
      - jonathankoren 3y ago
        If you don't like being called racist, perhaps you shouldn't be engaging in racism.
Ar-Curunir 3y ago
Sorry, but the vast majority of Americans do not work in industries that are impacted by H1B, and changes to these programs have no material impact on their fortunes. The blame lies elsewhere.
tessierashpool 3y ago
Whats funny is Americans are so adamant that their standards of living have been dropping for 30 years, but then support unfettered immigration. I sure hope this nonsense gets downvoted like the trolling it is. Immigration into America is extremely fettered. Ask anyone who's actually done it.
- willcipriano 3y ago
  Millions just walk over the border, they either get across without our knowledge or we give them a cell phone and a court date a few years in the future before we then release them into the interior. Seems pretty unfettered.
  - adgjlsfhk1 3y ago
    you realize that 2/3rds of illegal immigration is from people that enter legally, right?
    - willcipriano 3y ago
      And that's considered "extremely fettered"? What would unfettered look like?
      - Ao7bei3s 3y ago
        Unfettered would look like in the 19th century: arrive on a boat, spend a few hours on Ellis Island for a basic medical check and review of your paperwork with answers to 29 questions, start your new life. (Source: https://www.statueofliberty.org/ellis-island/overview-history/ https://www.statueofliberty.org/ellis-island/overview-histor...)
        willcipriano 3y ago
        Just walking over the border seems way easier.
jvanderbot 3y ago
I don't believe that adequately captures the variety of american opinions on both those subjects.
kylehotchkiss 3y ago
H1B is a technically a non-immigrant visa. H1B recipients, given many many constraints, have the ability to petition to become immigrants. The most accessible pathway for arriving in the US as an immigrant (green card) is family based migration. The only pathway for that which isn't backlogged is for those who are the spouse, non-adult child, or parent of a US citizen. Every other category has long wait times. It's hard to call anybody in this category "unfettered" as there are financial support requirements for petitioners. Getting to the USA on a H1B is far quicker than on an immigrant visa, even for direct family members of US citizens. It takes almost 2 years if there's no flags whatsoever in your case, and flags can things as random as "works with chemicals" or "is a doctor from X state". There is one exception which is international adoption which for some reason every part of the immigrant visa wheel seems to be on full speed for. (source: personal experience with immigrant visa system)

spamizbad 3y ago

If you're wealthier but your standard of living is dropping that can point to many things, but one big one is a labor shortage.

ldjkfkdsjnv 3y ago
Theres no labor shortage, companies have been reaping record profits and not paying it out to employees. Thats why the standard of living is dropping. Its basic economics
- vkou 3y ago
  Unemployment is at historic lows.
  - ldjkfkdsjnv 3y ago
    Unemployment at historic lows, cost of living at all time highs. Something isnt adding up
    - vkou 3y ago
      1. Rent-seekers are sucking up all the productive surplus out of the economy, raising the cost of a lot of things. 2. People doing work vital for society got raises, which was made possible by bargaining power that they gained from low unemployment. This, naturally, results in higher prices for anything that their labour produces. 3. Shortages. None of these are the fault of the immigrant boogieman.
networkchad 3y ago
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gosub100 3y ago
they have to create a shortage in order to get H1b labor. So they refuse to negotiate on salary and complain to their lawmakers that they had these openings posted for X months and only filled Y% of them! we just can't find talent!

zb1plus 3y ago

Immigration is not what is killing standards of living. Do you have any proof of discrimination against Americans in H1B heavy companies? I am pretty skeptical given the lottery nature of HB1 and the number of racist politicians who would love to amplify this narrative if even with dubious evidence of such discrimination

ldjkfkdsjnv 3y ago
I have worked at multiple FAANGs. Organizations at both Facebook and Amazon end up hiring and promoting the same group of people immigrating from the same country. Teams of 50+ consolidate around ethnic background. Its completely absurd for anyone to argue this isnt going on
- jonathankoren 3y ago
  And yet you provide no proof of immigration status, just racism. The very idea that an immigrant could be a permanent resident, or gasp as citizen nowhere in your brain. Goddamn foreigners. Coming over here and taking jobs you ain’t qualify to do.
  - DontchaKnowit 3y ago
    This is why having amy sort of coherent conversation about immigration is totally fruitless- people like you just want to call people racist. Nice job.
    - jonathankoren 3y ago
      If you don't like being called racist, perhaps you shouldn't be engaging in racism.

Ar-Curunir 3y ago

Sorry, but the vast majority of Americans do not work in industries that are impacted by H1B, and changes to these programs have no material impact on their fortunes. The blame lies elsewhere.

tessierashpool 3y ago

Whats funny is Americans are so adamant that their standards of living have been dropping for 30 years, but then support unfettered immigration. I sure hope this nonsense gets downvoted like the trolling it is. Immigration into America is extremely fettered. Ask anyone who's actually done it.

willcipriano 3y ago
Millions just walk over the border, they either get across without our knowledge or we give them a cell phone and a court date a few years in the future before we then release them into the interior. Seems pretty unfettered.
- adgjlsfhk1 3y ago
  you realize that 2/3rds of illegal immigration is from people that enter legally, right?
  - willcipriano 3y ago
    And that's considered "extremely fettered"? What would unfettered look like?
    - Ao7bei3s 3y ago
      Unfettered would look like in the 19th century: arrive on a boat, spend a few hours on Ellis Island for a basic medical check and review of your paperwork with answers to 29 questions, start your new life. (Source: https://www.statueofliberty.org/ellis-island/overview-history/ https://www.statueofliberty.org/ellis-island/overview-histor...)
      - willcipriano 3y ago
        Just walking over the border seems way easier.

jvanderbot 3y ago

I don't believe that adequately captures the variety of american opinions on both those subjects.

kylehotchkiss 3y ago

H1B is a technically a non-immigrant visa. H1B recipients, given many many constraints, have the ability to petition to become immigrants. The most accessible pathway for arriving in the US as an immigrant (green card) is family based migration. The only pathway for that which isn't backlogged is for those who are the spouse, non-adult child, or parent of a US citizen. Every other category has long wait times. It's hard to call anybody in this category "unfettered" as there are financial support requirements for petitioners. Getting to the USA on a H1B is far quicker than on an immigrant visa, even for direct family members of US citizens. It takes almost 2 years if there's no flags whatsoever in your case, and flags can things as random as "works with chemicals" or "is a doctor from X state". There is one exception which is international adoption which for some reason every part of the immigrant visa wheel seems to be on full speed for. (source: personal experience with immigrant visa system)