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I actually used Geany as my main editor for Ruby on Rails and ruby in general. Python has pycharm, Java has intelliJ, but ruby has just RubyMine which doesn't

I actually used Geany as my main editor for Ruby on Rails and ruby in general. Python has pycharm, Java has intelliJ, but ruby has just RubyMine which doesn't have a community edition and also isn't very good (at least when I tried it like 5-8 years ago). Geany was nice because while it didn't have autocomplete for anything but just text symbols, it did have enough Project-related features that it matched how I liked to view my files as a directory tree rooted at a project dir. And the syntax highlighting was good and so on. I ended up switching to vscode (well, vscodium, anyway) after I used vscode at work. Maybe I should check up on Geany again as of this big 2.0 release. I'd like to use an actually-free editor, though I settle for vscodium-style "free" when there's a big delta in productivity and features.

aidenn0 3y ago
How was indentation on Ruby code? I made a lisp plugin for Geany and the only way to customize the indentation was to install a keystroke handler for the enter key, which I found very strange coming from the vim world where there are specific hooks just for indentation.
- freedomben 3y ago
  Interesting, you went from vim where you were a power user enough to write a plugin to Geany? I've always had a warm spot for Geany but I just can't imagine the loss it would be for me to lose vim.
  - aidenn0 3y ago
    I did not go to Geany from vim; there were many people complaining about "having to learn Emacs to get a decent CL IDE" so I used Geany as the start for a more traditional IDE for Lisp.
    - pjmlp 3y ago
      LispWorks and Allegro Common Lisp are the decent CL IDE.
      - aidenn0 3y ago
        Someone who is too much of a dilettante to learn Emacs is almost certainly too much of one to pay for an IDE.
mdaniel 3y ago
> ruby has just RubyMine which doesn't have a community edition and also isn't very good I have a great deal of sympathy for RubyMine (and shudder at working for the CLion team, whew) because Ruby isn't doing the IDE author any favors. Given: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/blob/v16.5.0-ee/lib/google_cloud/authentication.rb https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/blob/v16.5.0-ee/lib/g... - what types are client_email and private_key? they are whatever type they're called with lolol - the symbol Google::Auth::ServiceAccountCredentials just materializes; was it required in some containing context and thus is in scope by _this_ required file? are those symbols visible in every context from one of the various Gemfile lines? a hard-core rubyist knows - where did the symbol StringIO come from? well, from require 'stringio' obviously, which is on .. err, which line exactly? I guess that lends weight to the 'this file is obviously running as a child context of some other file' theory I think half of it is the culture of Rubyists and half of it is "productivity hacks" of "if it runs, then it must be correct" I also recognize that I'm very clearly a static typing snob, and firmly in the camp of "please import symbols you use," but that doesn't stop me from having a great deal of sympathy for anyone who has to implement an IDE for such a monkey-patch friendly language
- tenacious_tuna 3y ago
  > I also recognize that I'm very clearly a static typing snob Honestly I'm right with you. I was complaining in another ruby thread [0] the other day about how opaque ruby is in terms of context around what's actually happening and where things come from in a given block of code. I'm about a year into working at a Rails shop and it's been a wild ride coming from a background of Swift/C++/Python. There's some cool syntax niceties in Ruby around writing functional blocks which I really like, but beyond that I find myself just endlessly frustrated with it as a tool. A lot of the senior folk at my org swear by ruby and know enough of Rails to have a good intuition about what's going on and how the system is organized, but for someone new to the whole enchilada it's so hard to find mental purchase in any given chunk of code. > "if it runs, then it must be correct" this has described the root of so many of the bugs I've had to chase down, holy crap. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37939011 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37939011

aidenn0 3y ago

How was indentation on Ruby code? I made a lisp plugin for Geany and the only way to customize the indentation was to install a keystroke handler for the enter key, which I found very strange coming from the vim world where there are specific hooks just for indentation.

freedomben 3y ago
Interesting, you went from vim where you were a power user enough to write a plugin to Geany? I've always had a warm spot for Geany but I just can't imagine the loss it would be for me to lose vim.
- aidenn0 3y ago
  I did not go to Geany from vim; there were many people complaining about "having to learn Emacs to get a decent CL IDE" so I used Geany as the start for a more traditional IDE for Lisp.
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    LispWorks and Allegro Common Lisp are the decent CL IDE.
    - aidenn0 3y ago
      Someone who is too much of a dilettante to learn Emacs is almost certainly too much of one to pay for an IDE.

mdaniel 3y ago

> ruby has just RubyMine which doesn't have a community edition and also isn't very good I have a great deal of sympathy for RubyMine (and shudder at working for the CLion team, whew) because Ruby isn't doing the IDE author any favors. Given: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/blob/v16.5.0-ee/lib/google_cloud/authentication.rb https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/blob/v16.5.0-ee/lib/g... - what types are client_email and private_key? they are whatever type they're called with lolol - the symbol Google::Auth::ServiceAccountCredentials just materializes; was it required in some containing context and thus is in scope by _this_ required file? are those symbols visible in every context from one of the various Gemfile lines? a hard-core rubyist knows - where did the symbol StringIO come from? well, from require 'stringio' obviously, which is on .. err, which line exactly? I guess that lends weight to the 'this file is obviously running as a child context of some other file' theory I think half of it is the culture of Rubyists and half of it is "productivity hacks" of "if it runs, then it must be correct" I also recognize that I'm very clearly a static typing snob, and firmly in the camp of "please import symbols you use," but that doesn't stop me from having a great deal of sympathy for anyone who has to implement an IDE for such a monkey-patch friendly language

tenacious_tuna 3y ago
> I also recognize that I'm very clearly a static typing snob Honestly I'm right with you. I was complaining in another ruby thread [0] the other day about how opaque ruby is in terms of context around what's actually happening and where things come from in a given block of code. I'm about a year into working at a Rails shop and it's been a wild ride coming from a background of Swift/C++/Python. There's some cool syntax niceties in Ruby around writing functional blocks which I really like, but beyond that I find myself just endlessly frustrated with it as a tool. A lot of the senior folk at my org swear by ruby and know enough of Rails to have a good intuition about what's going on and how the system is organized, but for someone new to the whole enchilada it's so hard to find mental purchase in any given chunk of code. > "if it runs, then it must be correct" this has described the root of so many of the bugs I've had to chase down, holy crap. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37939011 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37939011