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I read Reuters [1]. They quote the Orthodox Church itself: > A Greek Orthodox church in the Gaza Strip which was sheltering hundreds of displaced Palestinians

I read Reuters [1]. They quote the Orthodox Church itself: > A Greek Orthodox church in the Gaza Strip which was sheltering hundreds of displaced Palestinians was hit overnight by an Israeli air strike, the Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem said, and Palestinian health officials said 16 people were killed. > There was no word from the Church on a death toll. > The Israeli military said a part of the church was damaged in a strike on a militant command centre and it was reviewing the incident. I do not read anything with a name referencing osint, nor other astroturfers. There are missiles coming into Gaza also daily. I think it should all stop. Do you agree? [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/orthodox-church-says-it-was-hit-by-israeli-air-strike-gaza-2023-10-20/ https://www.reuters.com/world/orthodox-church-says-it-was-hi...

rasz 3y ago
So pictures taken by Hamas and journalists are no evidence for you of continued existence of the Church. How about video feed from the jet dropping the bomb? From Greek Orthodox source no less: https://twitter.com/greekcitytimes/status/1715503512266957196 https://twitter.com/greekcitytimes/status/171550351226695719...
- locallost 3y ago
  I said they bombed a church. You said I should reconsider my sources. My source was Reuters, quoting the Church representatives, saying: "...was hit overnight by an Israeli air strike". In no shape or form was it anywhere implied that the church no longer exists, just that it was bombed. The quote from a non-hamas source in a respectable news source confirms it was hit. That you're poorly attempting to make some kind of an argument that never was tells me you have no leg to stand on.
  - rasz 3y ago
    You take someones word over photographic and video evidence corroborated by multiple parties? "Hey, someone burned down my car last night! Its standing over there, the one with minor smoke damage two cars over from the wreck of actually burned car."
    - locallost 3y ago
      "The Israeli military said that a blast Thursday night on the St. Porphyrius Greek Orthodox Church campus in Gaza City was the result of its airstrike." https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-hamas-war-gaza-strip-conflict/card/israeli-military-claims-responsibility-for-church-blast-in-gaza-ItyUvoIPaeNBEsIeIS6J https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-hamas-war-gaza-strip... I guess you will need to go spread doubt in another case. Until then.
      - rasz 3y ago
        Can we agree on the facts? 1. There was Israeli bombing near the Church. Nobody was ever disputing that. 2. Church wasnt hit by the bomb. 3. Church is still standing. Whoever is now claiming Church was hit/bombed/destroyed is the one lying, with clear multi party corroborated photographic/video evidence. You might argue Israel has no right to bomb Gaza, international law says otherwise. Geneva Convention Article 28 https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949/article-28 https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949/art... Treatment II. Danger zones "The presence of a protected person may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations." https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949/article-28/commentary/1958 https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949/art... "Consequently, the presence of civilians must never be used to render immune from military operations objectives which are liable to be attacked."
        locallost 3y ago
        Can you read this sentence out loud? "The Israeli military said that a blast Thursday night on the St. Porphyrius Greek Orthodox Church campus in Gaza City was the result of its airstrike." And if you still are not sure, I'd go to a doctor to get it checked out. Take care.
        rasz 3y ago
        Sure: "blast ... on ... campus". "a destructive wave of highly compressed air spreading outward from an explosion." What kind of post truth are we living in when you can calmly believe in a building being bombed when that building is still standing the next day and there is footage of a bomb striking two buildings away? "News" media isnt helping by spreading lies like NBCs "collapse of Gaza’s oldest church" immediat repost from Hamas sources without any verification https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp-video/mmvo196026949728 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp-video/mmvo196026949728

rasz 3y ago

So pictures taken by Hamas and journalists are no evidence for you of continued existence of the Church. How about video feed from the jet dropping the bomb? From Greek Orthodox source no less: https://twitter.com/greekcitytimes/status/1715503512266957196 https://twitter.com/greekcitytimes/status/171550351226695719...

locallost 3y ago
I said they bombed a church. You said I should reconsider my sources. My source was Reuters, quoting the Church representatives, saying: "...was hit overnight by an Israeli air strike". In no shape or form was it anywhere implied that the church no longer exists, just that it was bombed. The quote from a non-hamas source in a respectable news source confirms it was hit. That you're poorly attempting to make some kind of an argument that never was tells me you have no leg to stand on.
- rasz 3y ago
  You take someones word over photographic and video evidence corroborated by multiple parties? "Hey, someone burned down my car last night! Its standing over there, the one with minor smoke damage two cars over from the wreck of actually burned car."
  - locallost 3y ago
    "The Israeli military said that a blast Thursday night on the St. Porphyrius Greek Orthodox Church campus in Gaza City was the result of its airstrike." https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-hamas-war-gaza-strip-conflict/card/israeli-military-claims-responsibility-for-church-blast-in-gaza-ItyUvoIPaeNBEsIeIS6J https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-hamas-war-gaza-strip... I guess you will need to go spread doubt in another case. Until then.
    - rasz 3y ago
      Can we agree on the facts? 1. There was Israeli bombing near the Church. Nobody was ever disputing that. 2. Church wasnt hit by the bomb. 3. Church is still standing. Whoever is now claiming Church was hit/bombed/destroyed is the one lying, with clear multi party corroborated photographic/video evidence. You might argue Israel has no right to bomb Gaza, international law says otherwise. Geneva Convention Article 28 https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949/article-28 https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949/art... Treatment II. Danger zones "The presence of a protected person may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations." https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949/article-28/commentary/1958 https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949/art... "Consequently, the presence of civilians must never be used to render immune from military operations objectives which are liable to be attacked."
      - locallost 3y ago
        Can you read this sentence out loud? "The Israeli military said that a blast Thursday night on the St. Porphyrius Greek Orthodox Church campus in Gaza City was the result of its airstrike." And if you still are not sure, I'd go to a doctor to get it checked out. Take care.
        rasz 3y ago
        Sure: "blast ... on ... campus". "a destructive wave of highly compressed air spreading outward from an explosion." What kind of post truth are we living in when you can calmly believe in a building being bombed when that building is still standing the next day and there is footage of a bomb striking two buildings away? "News" media isnt helping by spreading lies like NBCs "collapse of Gaza’s oldest church" immediat repost from Hamas sources without any verification https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp-video/mmvo196026949728 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp-video/mmvo196026949728