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Blade Runner: The Unofficial White Dragon Cut

86 points by keiferski 3y ago

darkclouds 3y ago
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dmix 3y ago
Anyone have a torrent of this cut? Blade Runner is my favourite movie of all time. I found a trailer that explains what it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FA2uT2gvaM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FA2uT2gvaM Apparently it includes a ton of delete scenes plus more fan made scenes from the original script? Maybe someone could explain further.
- russelg 3y ago
  Looks like it's still being worked on, the header image of the latest blog post says it's releasing November 2024
pimlottc 3y ago
More context on the creator's website [0] 0: https://whitedragoncut.com/?page_id=2407&lang=en https://whitedragoncut.com/?page_id=2407&lang=en
- chrstphrknwtn 3y ago
  It explains everything except what is significant about the "script dated February 23, 1981".
  - jccalhoun 3y ago
    Wikipedia says shooting started in March so the February script is probably the script they shot from or at least close to it?
- ChrisArchitect 3y ago
  Thanks for that, I was looking at the linked content and was like, what is this/are these clips
anjel 3y ago
Editing based on the latest script, Including all unused cut, Complete reproduction of Sid Mead illustrations and more. Blade Runner White Dragon Cut is going to be ver5 ! Editing based on the latest script Editing based on the latest script According to Poul Sammon’s book ‘Future Noir’, some changes were made at the editing stage of the film’s production. Among them are the following three points––where the flow of the movie was changed dramatically. 1 From Zhora’s retirement to Deckard and Rachel’s love scene 2 From Deckard and Rachel’s love scene to Sebastian’s apartment 3 Deckard and Roy’s chase scene In “Blade Runner: White Dragon Cut version 4” (hereinafter referred to as “WDC 4”), 1 and 3 have been reworked as scripted. In “Blade Runner: White Dragon Cut version 5” (hereinafter referred to as “WDC 5”), 2 is further reworked as scripted––aiming for full reproduction of the script dated February 23, 1981. https://whitedragoncut.com/?page_id=2407&lang=en https://whitedragoncut.com/?page_id=2407&lang=en
- local_crmdgeon 3y ago
  "Love scene" it's a rape scene. That's pretty well agreed among BR fans now
esafak 3y ago
This kind of thing is going to be much easier when generative video matures. Then you will be able to extend videos using text prompts while matching the existing content.
chaostheory 3y ago
My favorite cut is the original theatrical one. Why? Because otherwise you wouldn’t have any context of anything. It’s great despite Harrison Ford purposely giving a terrible narration. It’s easy to remove it once you gotten all the context, but it’ll be confusing for most new viewers who aren’t familiar with the book. IMO this is the best you can do for a movie around two hours long, unless you turn it into a mini series.
- xyzzy_plugh 3y ago
  This is a controversial take for certain. I've seen various forms of the director's cut multiple times, but only saw the theatrical cut much much later (and only read the source material much later than that) and the movie is completely comprehendible without narration. The narration is awful. It's unnecessary exposition. The mood and depth of the film without narration is practically unparalleled. I'm curious what context the narration provides for you because I certainly remember none of it.
  - chaostheory 3y ago
    Deckard provides context for how replicants are seen by police and the police themselves. He also has a rationale for why he has to take a job that he doesn’t want. He even has background for the weird language being spoken. A lot of knowledge would have been lost, and I wouldn’t have gotten into the universe otherwise. I’m sure if you’ve seen it several times over the years, sure you won’t need it but what about the people watching for the 1st time. The ending is also on a lighter side which matches the sequel. (Yes, I know they just reused The Shining’s intro. Again I don’t care.) Watching the White Dragon edit and they surprisingly kept it! Edit: The narration adds a lot of flavor and world building https://archive.org/details/white-dragon https://archive.org/details/white-dragon
- MattPalmer1086 3y ago
  Mine is the Directors Cut precisely because I like the ambiguity. Admittedly I saw the theatrical one when it came out in the cinema and loved it then, but I was very young. So the narration probably helped me at that age. Many years later when I saw the Directors Cut I much preferred it. When I watched the theatrical cut again I actively disliked the narration. It didn't leave enough space for the mood and your imagination to develop. But then I tend to like stories that world build through immersion rather than explication.
fbdab103 3y ago
Perhaps I am too young, but I never understood the love-affair with the movie and the endless debate if the definitive cut should/not include the ending narration. Are there other movies which have provoked such a wild sub-culture of the "definitive cut" which embraces the producer's true intentions? The Justice League Snyder cut is the only other thing that comes to mind.
- Minor49er 3y ago
  The original Star Wars trilogy is probably the best example here. (Han shot first, by the way)
  - c420 3y ago
    Still waiting for the Bigger Luke cut. https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2021/oct/27/the-bigger-luke-hypothesis-going-deep-on-star-wars-most-absurd-fan-theory https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2021/oct/27/the-bigger-l...
    - fbdab103 3y ago
      This is why the Internet was invented.
      - CamperBob2 3y ago
        Meh, it's not as plausible as the "Jar-Jar is a high-level Sith" theory, to which I personally subscribe.
- corethree 3y ago
  When it came out there was nothing else like it for a loong time. As time goes on audiences become much more sophisticated but they retain the nostalgia of the past and remain unable to differentiate between nostalgia and modern standards. If blade runner was released nowadays it would probably be pretty bad. The snyder cut is just low brow stuff. The DC cinematic universe is even more cheese than marvel. People liked the snyder cut because they just really wanted to like it. It's like a beacon of hope for a crap franchise. When you invest that much energy hoping for something (even though the snyder cut was only slightly better but overall still crappy) people have to make themselves love it.

86 points by keiferski 3y ago

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dmix 3y ago

Anyone have a torrent of this cut? Blade Runner is my favourite movie of all time. I found a trailer that explains what it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FA2uT2gvaM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FA2uT2gvaM Apparently it includes a ton of delete scenes plus more fan made scenes from the original script? Maybe someone could explain further.

russelg 3y ago
Looks like it's still being worked on, the header image of the latest blog post says it's releasing November 2024

pimlottc 3y ago

More context on the creator's website [0] 0: https://whitedragoncut.com/?page_id=2407&lang=en https://whitedragoncut.com/?page_id=2407&lang=en

chrstphrknwtn 3y ago
It explains everything except what is significant about the "script dated February 23, 1981".
- jccalhoun 3y ago
  Wikipedia says shooting started in March so the February script is probably the script they shot from or at least close to it?
ChrisArchitect 3y ago
Thanks for that, I was looking at the linked content and was like, what is this/are these clips

anjel 3y ago

Editing based on the latest script, Including all unused cut, Complete reproduction of Sid Mead illustrations and more. Blade Runner White Dragon Cut is going to be ver5 ! Editing based on the latest script Editing based on the latest script According to Poul Sammon’s book ‘Future Noir’, some changes were made at the editing stage of the film’s production. Among them are the following three points––where the flow of the movie was changed dramatically. 1 From Zhora’s retirement to Deckard and Rachel’s love scene 2 From Deckard and Rachel’s love scene to Sebastian’s apartment 3 Deckard and Roy’s chase scene In “Blade Runner: White Dragon Cut version 4” (hereinafter referred to as “WDC 4”), 1 and 3 have been reworked as scripted. In “Blade Runner: White Dragon Cut version 5” (hereinafter referred to as “WDC 5”), 2 is further reworked as scripted––aiming for full reproduction of the script dated February 23, 1981. https://whitedragoncut.com/?page_id=2407&lang=en https://whitedragoncut.com/?page_id=2407&lang=en

local_crmdgeon 3y ago
"Love scene" it's a rape scene. That's pretty well agreed among BR fans now

esafak 3y ago

This kind of thing is going to be much easier when generative video matures. Then you will be able to extend videos using text prompts while matching the existing content.

chaostheory 3y ago

My favorite cut is the original theatrical one. Why? Because otherwise you wouldn’t have any context of anything. It’s great despite Harrison Ford purposely giving a terrible narration. It’s easy to remove it once you gotten all the context, but it’ll be confusing for most new viewers who aren’t familiar with the book. IMO this is the best you can do for a movie around two hours long, unless you turn it into a mini series.

xyzzy_plugh 3y ago
This is a controversial take for certain. I've seen various forms of the director's cut multiple times, but only saw the theatrical cut much much later (and only read the source material much later than that) and the movie is completely comprehendible without narration. The narration is awful. It's unnecessary exposition. The mood and depth of the film without narration is practically unparalleled. I'm curious what context the narration provides for you because I certainly remember none of it.
- chaostheory 3y ago
  Deckard provides context for how replicants are seen by police and the police themselves. He also has a rationale for why he has to take a job that he doesn’t want. He even has background for the weird language being spoken. A lot of knowledge would have been lost, and I wouldn’t have gotten into the universe otherwise. I’m sure if you’ve seen it several times over the years, sure you won’t need it but what about the people watching for the 1st time. The ending is also on a lighter side which matches the sequel. (Yes, I know they just reused The Shining’s intro. Again I don’t care.) Watching the White Dragon edit and they surprisingly kept it! Edit: The narration adds a lot of flavor and world building https://archive.org/details/white-dragon https://archive.org/details/white-dragon
MattPalmer1086 3y ago
Mine is the Directors Cut precisely because I like the ambiguity. Admittedly I saw the theatrical one when it came out in the cinema and loved it then, but I was very young. So the narration probably helped me at that age. Many years later when I saw the Directors Cut I much preferred it. When I watched the theatrical cut again I actively disliked the narration. It didn't leave enough space for the mood and your imagination to develop. But then I tend to like stories that world build through immersion rather than explication.

fbdab103 3y ago

Perhaps I am too young, but I never understood the love-affair with the movie and the endless debate if the definitive cut should/not include the ending narration. Are there other movies which have provoked such a wild sub-culture of the "definitive cut" which embraces the producer's true intentions? The Justice League Snyder cut is the only other thing that comes to mind.

Minor49er 3y ago
The original Star Wars trilogy is probably the best example here. (Han shot first, by the way)
- c420 3y ago
  Still waiting for the Bigger Luke cut. https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2021/oct/27/the-bigger-luke-hypothesis-going-deep-on-star-wars-most-absurd-fan-theory https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2021/oct/27/the-bigger-l...
  - fbdab103 3y ago
    This is why the Internet was invented.
    - CamperBob2 3y ago
      Meh, it's not as plausible as the "Jar-Jar is a high-level Sith" theory, to which I personally subscribe.
corethree 3y ago
When it came out there was nothing else like it for a loong time. As time goes on audiences become much more sophisticated but they retain the nostalgia of the past and remain unable to differentiate between nostalgia and modern standards. If blade runner was released nowadays it would probably be pretty bad. The snyder cut is just low brow stuff. The DC cinematic universe is even more cheese than marvel. People liked the snyder cut because they just really wanted to like it. It's like a beacon of hope for a crap franchise. When you invest that much energy hoping for something (even though the snyder cut was only slightly better but overall still crappy) people have to make themselves love it.