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I still haven't seen this tech do anything mind-blowing. Most of the programming stuff doesn't feel much fancier than a good IDE and a quick online search. I us

I still haven't seen this tech do anything mind-blowing. Most of the programming stuff doesn't feel much fancier than a good IDE and a quick online search. I use it now and then for tweaking important docs, but that's about it. It kinda feels like another crypto hype meme that will just eat up time and money.

moffkalast 3y ago
If literally solving the entire field of natural language processing and recently most of computer vision with GPT4V doesn't count as mind-blowing for you then I'm sad to say that I really doubt anything would ever convince you.
- Dig1t 3y ago
  Yeah it's amazing from a Computer Science perspective, these are problems that have been unsolved for the entire duration of the field's existence.
- ska 3y ago
  Both your claims are hyperbolic ... but your point is fair, there is obviously something useful there.
  - moffkalast 3y ago
    They are, but only slightly. If you asked me a year ago if I thought any of this would be possible next year I would've laughed like Gol D. Roger.
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    - ska 3y ago
      I think it was pretty visible a few years ago, but not 10. And I think there is a lot left to do in both areas, but the jump in NLP capabilities is significant.
      - moffkalast 3y ago
        Yeah I mean technically GPT 3 was already out for a while and looked impressive, but it was still only accesible to like 10 people and it was difficult to tell if it fell flat outside prearranged demo examples. In fact given what we know now, it likely wasn't nearly as good as it looked. So was hard to say at that point if this whole language model thing will pan out or become yet another useless learning approach that's unfeasible to apply to anything.
- stevenhuang 3y ago
  You don't even need to go that far. Their confused comparisons to crypto is telling enough lol.
sabareesh 3y ago
Well definitely reduced times i use google as a developer
jonplackett 3y ago
Hard disagree. I use GPT-4 for so much stuff. I was pondering the other day how much I’d be willing to pay should they decide to increase the price and realised it was almost order of magnitude more. I love new technology and tried really hard to like crypto but never understood what I could actually use it for. Tried making some web3 apps etc. just seemed like it wasn’t really any better than a mysql db. But I find new things to do with AI daily. I save myself hours and hours of time in work and personal life. If you can’t find something useful to use it for, I’d say try harder. Also, it’s specifically GPT-4 that is amazing compared to anything else I’ve used.
steve_adams_86 3y ago
I’d willingly pay more for GTP-4. It makes a meaningful difference to my productivity. I don’t think I’m alone or necessarily in a small minority either. If you’re crafty enough, these things are ridiculously useful. If I had better privacy I would use this for even more tasks. I’d love to train something like this on reminding and prioritizing tasks for me based on my actual behaviour vs actions, for example. There’s enormous potential that previously wouldn’t have been possible with my skills as an individual (and evidently, within the capacity of entire companies. That product doesn’t exist in a form that I’d care to use yet). Keep in mind that the valuation is based on speculation, too. It isn’t saying GPT-4 is worth 80B. It’s also saying there’s confidence that GPT-5 and successors will unveil meaningful possibilities with real value. I don’t think that’s unreasonable. I don’t think it maps to 80B, but that’s not my business. I just don’t think it’s crazy to see value here.
- mnky9800n 3y ago
  What do you use it for? So far it seems to be okay to get a project started in programming but overall it sits in the way of solutions and learning a new technology. It seems to be okay at rewriting text so I don't plaigerize myself when I'm writing papers or proposals. It actually does a really nice job of classifying technical reports which is way easier to implement than any NLP solution but definitely not the most accurate. Overall if it didn't exist I think I wouldn't miss it even though I currently pay for chatgpt.
  - moffkalast 3y ago
    > sits in the way of solutions and learning a new technology How so? I find it to be most useful in that exact area. Taking your existing code and turning it into another language, implementing something with a library you want to try but can't be arsed to read the docs for, making a first draft of an implementation you're not sure how to begin, or just researching what exists in general. Learning new things has never been this easy.
    - steve_adams_86 3y ago
losteric 3y ago
I would agree wrt Copilot. GPT4 through the Chat app is a different story, I find it incredibly useful for branching in to new skills or rubber-ducking complex problems.
- mnky9800n 3y ago
  What does it mean to rubber duck complex problems
  - floxy 3y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging
  - Apfel 3y ago
    https://rubberduckdebugging.com/ https://rubberduckdebugging.com/
zelly 3y ago
Dead wrong. GPT4 is scary good. I think it will replace frontend web dev.

moffkalast 3y ago

If literally solving the entire field of natural language processing and recently most of computer vision with GPT4V doesn't count as mind-blowing for you then I'm sad to say that I really doubt anything would ever convince you.

Dig1t 3y ago
Yeah it's amazing from a Computer Science perspective, these are problems that have been unsolved for the entire duration of the field's existence.
ska 3y ago
Both your claims are hyperbolic ... but your point is fair, there is obviously something useful there.
- moffkalast 3y ago
  They are, but only slightly. If you asked me a year ago if I thought any of this would be possible next year I would've laughed like Gol D. Roger.
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - ska 3y ago
    I think it was pretty visible a few years ago, but not 10. And I think there is a lot left to do in both areas, but the jump in NLP capabilities is significant.
    - moffkalast 3y ago
      Yeah I mean technically GPT 3 was already out for a while and looked impressive, but it was still only accesible to like 10 people and it was difficult to tell if it fell flat outside prearranged demo examples. In fact given what we know now, it likely wasn't nearly as good as it looked. So was hard to say at that point if this whole language model thing will pan out or become yet another useless learning approach that's unfeasible to apply to anything.
stevenhuang 3y ago
You don't even need to go that far. Their confused comparisons to crypto is telling enough lol.

sabareesh 3y ago

Well definitely reduced times i use google as a developer

jonplackett 3y ago

Hard disagree. I use GPT-4 for so much stuff. I was pondering the other day how much I’d be willing to pay should they decide to increase the price and realised it was almost order of magnitude more. I love new technology and tried really hard to like crypto but never understood what I could actually use it for. Tried making some web3 apps etc. just seemed like it wasn’t really any better than a mysql db. But I find new things to do with AI daily. I save myself hours and hours of time in work and personal life. If you can’t find something useful to use it for, I’d say try harder. Also, it’s specifically GPT-4 that is amazing compared to anything else I’ve used.

steve_adams_86 3y ago

I’d willingly pay more for GTP-4. It makes a meaningful difference to my productivity. I don’t think I’m alone or necessarily in a small minority either. If you’re crafty enough, these things are ridiculously useful. If I had better privacy I would use this for even more tasks. I’d love to train something like this on reminding and prioritizing tasks for me based on my actual behaviour vs actions, for example. There’s enormous potential that previously wouldn’t have been possible with my skills as an individual (and evidently, within the capacity of entire companies. That product doesn’t exist in a form that I’d care to use yet). Keep in mind that the valuation is based on speculation, too. It isn’t saying GPT-4 is worth 80B. It’s also saying there’s confidence that GPT-5 and successors will unveil meaningful possibilities with real value. I don’t think that’s unreasonable. I don’t think it maps to 80B, but that’s not my business. I just don’t think it’s crazy to see value here.

mnky9800n 3y ago
What do you use it for? So far it seems to be okay to get a project started in programming but overall it sits in the way of solutions and learning a new technology. It seems to be okay at rewriting text so I don't plaigerize myself when I'm writing papers or proposals. It actually does a really nice job of classifying technical reports which is way easier to implement than any NLP solution but definitely not the most accurate. Overall if it didn't exist I think I wouldn't miss it even though I currently pay for chatgpt.
- moffkalast 3y ago
  > sits in the way of solutions and learning a new technology How so? I find it to be most useful in that exact area. Taking your existing code and turning it into another language, implementing something with a library you want to try but can't be arsed to read the docs for, making a first draft of an implementation you're not sure how to begin, or just researching what exists in general. Learning new things has never been this easy.
  - steve_adams_86 3y ago

losteric 3y ago

I would agree wrt Copilot. GPT4 through the Chat app is a different story, I find it incredibly useful for branching in to new skills or rubber-ducking complex problems.

mnky9800n 3y ago
What does it mean to rubber duck complex problems
- floxy 3y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging
- Apfel 3y ago
  https://rubberduckdebugging.com/ https://rubberduckdebugging.com/

zelly 3y ago

Dead wrong. GPT4 is scary good. I think it will replace frontend web dev.