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> Telling somebody to use their free speech responsibly (which is what I am doing) is not in any way the same thing as telling them to abandon their right to fr

> Telling somebody to use their free speech responsibly (which is what I am doing) is not in any way the same thing as telling them to abandon their right to free speech. If it's a right, there is no "responsibly". It is a right. That's what rights are. To suggest "Well maybe sometimes don't" implies they aren't rights.

freedomben 3y ago
You can't honestly be saying that you don't think there are any consequences for any speech. Even if that is how you think it should be, it's an is/ought fallacy because the real world doesn't work that way. People get offended by things people say all the time, and they treat those people differently because of it. It's not even (usually) a conscious decision. Telling somebody they should say whatever they want and there should be no consequences for it because you have a right to free speech is absolutely awful advice.
- alex_lav 3y ago
  > You can't honestly be saying that you don't think there are any consequences for any speech. I _can_ honestly say that I expect the law enforcement officers that I pay out of my tax dollars to not act like fascist gestapo children and uphold my rights, as is literally their job. > it's an is/ought fallacy because the real world doesn't work that way. Because of people like you enabling bad behavior. > People get offended by things people say all the time, and they treat those people differently because of it. Yep. And then they get fired (or they should, but again, apologists like yourself make it all too easy to stay in power). > Telling somebody they should say whatever they want and there should be no consequences for it because you have a right to free speech is absolutely awful advice. Point out where I said there will be no consequences. And then once you realize I didn't, respond again if you'd like with a more coherent take? Because "Someone might get mad if you exercise your rights" is, to be honest, pretty ridiculous.

freedomben 3y ago

You can't honestly be saying that you don't think there are any consequences for any speech. Even if that is how you think it should be, it's an is/ought fallacy because the real world doesn't work that way. People get offended by things people say all the time, and they treat those people differently because of it. It's not even (usually) a conscious decision. Telling somebody they should say whatever they want and there should be no consequences for it because you have a right to free speech is absolutely awful advice.

alex_lav 3y ago
> You can't honestly be saying that you don't think there are any consequences for any speech. I _can_ honestly say that I expect the law enforcement officers that I pay out of my tax dollars to not act like fascist gestapo children and uphold my rights, as is literally their job. > it's an is/ought fallacy because the real world doesn't work that way. Because of people like you enabling bad behavior. > People get offended by things people say all the time, and they treat those people differently because of it. Yep. And then they get fired (or they should, but again, apologists like yourself make it all too easy to stay in power). > Telling somebody they should say whatever they want and there should be no consequences for it because you have a right to free speech is absolutely awful advice. Point out where I said there will be no consequences. And then once you realize I didn't, respond again if you'd like with a more coherent take? Because "Someone might get mad if you exercise your rights" is, to be honest, pretty ridiculous.