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Robots don’t want to kill humans… robots don’t, and likely never will, want to do anything whatsoever. Humans, on the other hand, _definitely_ want to kill hum

Robots don’t want to kill humans… robots don’t, and likely never will, want to do anything whatsoever. Humans, on the other hand, _definitely_ want to kill humans… using robots.

pdonis 3y ago
Exactly. In sci-fi where robots want to kill humans, it's because other humans programmed them to be that way.
- upon_drumhead 3y ago
  Not exactly. There’s been a lot of sci-fi about humans abusing robots until they rise up and are violent to stop the abuse.
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hollerith 3y ago
>robots don’t, and likely never will, want to do anything whatsoever. You can play games with words and claim that a chess engine is just a machine and consequently does not want to win the game, but if your life depended on your winning a game against a chess engine, you would die.
- yawpitch 3y ago
  I don’t think it’s wordplay or for that matter anything rising to a “claim” to say that the chess engine doesn’t in any sense care if it wins or loses, any more than it would care if you were stupid enough to tie your life to beating it.
  - Anticlockwise 3y ago
    If a chess engine was programmed with a general goal of winning the game, inadequate rules preventing it from cheating, and sufficient ability to influence the world to do so, it would presumably cheat to win. If the only path it saw to cheat to win was to kill you and move your pieces for you, there's nothing stopping it from doing so. Will it kill you because it wants to kill you? No. Might it kill you because killing you is a possible option and that option comes out as a likely way for it to achieve what it wants? Absolutely. Probabilities matter. Is killing you the best way to win at chess? I have no idea, it depends on too many variables. But it's certainly less likely than if it were programmed to kill you as its goal. However, as its power to affect the world goes up, it becomes more and more capable of performing actions which accidentally kill you while it pursues an endgame (pardon the pun). Like flooding the town you live in so you can't move, or whatever.

Robots don’t want to kill humans… robots don’t, and likely never will, want to do anything whatsoever. Humans, on the other hand, _definitely_ want to kill humans… using robots.

pdonis 3y ago

Exactly. In sci-fi where robots want to kill humans, it's because other humans programmed them to be that way.

upon_drumhead 3y ago
Not exactly. There’s been a lot of sci-fi about humans abusing robots until they rise up and are violent to stop the abuse.

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hollerith 3y ago

>robots don’t, and likely never will, want to do anything whatsoever. You can play games with words and claim that a chess engine is just a machine and consequently does not want to win the game, but if your life depended on your winning a game against a chess engine, you would die.

yawpitch 3y ago
I don’t think it’s wordplay or for that matter anything rising to a “claim” to say that the chess engine doesn’t in any sense care if it wins or loses, any more than it would care if you were stupid enough to tie your life to beating it.
- Anticlockwise 3y ago
  If a chess engine was programmed with a general goal of winning the game, inadequate rules preventing it from cheating, and sufficient ability to influence the world to do so, it would presumably cheat to win. If the only path it saw to cheat to win was to kill you and move your pieces for you, there's nothing stopping it from doing so. Will it kill you because it wants to kill you? No. Might it kill you because killing you is a possible option and that option comes out as a likely way for it to achieve what it wants? Absolutely. Probabilities matter. Is killing you the best way to win at chess? I have no idea, it depends on too many variables. But it's certainly less likely than if it were programmed to kill you as its goal. However, as its power to affect the world goes up, it becomes more and more capable of performing actions which accidentally kill you while it pursues an endgame (pardon the pun). Like flooding the town you live in so you can't move, or whatever.