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Cool story the usual speech of making it the fault of the consumer ... I want a repairable phone with extended support for around 400e can you find me one ? F

Cool story the usual speech of making it the fault of the consumer ... I want a repairable phone with extended support for around 400e can you find me one ? Fairphone are not too bad but look at the price and they are probably doing the best they can. But you might have heard of economy of scale ? If right to repair becomes law then repairable product might stop being niche and so expensive. Edit: but no let's not pass any law and just continue to let society subsidize corporation pollution.

randomdata 3y ago
> I want a repairable phone with extended support for around 400e can you find me one ? Does 400e speak to you meaningfully valuing such an item? That's little more than a single meal at a high end restaurant, for a highly complex device that takes many thousands of man hours to create. You can't even buy many non-repairable smartphones for that much. This does not demonstrate you valuing a repairable device at all.
- Timshel 3y ago
  You might need to interact with a more diverse group of people ... I don't know where you eat but in Paris a high end meal would start along the line of 100e. You can buy a repairable Nokia G21 for 134e at the moment would probably be sufficient for my usage but sadly support is crap :(
  - randomdata 3y ago
    > You can buy a repairable Nokia G21 for 134e at the moment would probably be sufficient for my usage but sadly support is crap :( At 134e support might be crap. What kind of support contract are they offering you if you throw, say, another 1000e at them? How about 10,000e? 100,000e? To value something requires demonstration of actually valuing it. You can't just say "I value this" and expect things to magically change. Words are meaningless. Only action gets things done. I get the impression that what you actually value is a phone leveraging economies of scale with decent support.
- MandieD 3y ago
  400 EUR would cover dinner and two nice bottles of wine for 6 at the fanciest restaurant I’ve been to in Nürnberg. What the heck kind of restaurant costs 400 EUR for a single dinner?!
johnnyanmac 3y ago
> Cool story the usual speech of making it the fault of the consumer ... it's a three-pronged problem with no single faultee. So there are 3 different approaches. - change consumer demands to be more environmentally aware. This is the hardest but most effective angle. because if demands shift, business will shift to make money and consumers in democratic regions will vote in those who also care and enact proper regulations. - make a business that creates that demand. The "Tesla of phones" if you will. This is the "easiest" solution (in the loosest sense of the word) but also the least resiliant. It could fail, or you yourself could fall into the very same rush for profits. - change the regulations. By encouraging others to support certain laws or being in politics yourself as a champion. Middle of the road, in terms of difficulty and effectivenesss. >But you might have heard of economy of scale ? yeah, that's probably why we get these duopolies. providing a global hardware product is absurdly expensive, not really something that can be done by a scrappy startup like software. At that scale companies take every shortcut they can. Unless you convince existing OEMs to provide these products, the "right" solution will never be the cheapest one. And if consumers care about price comparisons over sustainability, that's a stance in and of itself.
- Timshel 3y ago
  > with no single faultee. I absolutely disagree it's not because society has not caught up and there is almost no cost to pollution that company are not at fault ...
  - johnnyanmac 3y ago
    do you really think this is only the govt's fault for not reacting fast enough? Or only the company's fault for providing a product people want? I don't see the advatadge in playing the blame game here. I'd rather provide solutions than focus on who did it worse.

randomdata 3y ago

> I want a repairable phone with extended support for around 400e can you find me one ? Does 400e speak to you meaningfully valuing such an item? That's little more than a single meal at a high end restaurant, for a highly complex device that takes many thousands of man hours to create. You can't even buy many non-repairable smartphones for that much. This does not demonstrate you valuing a repairable device at all.

Timshel 3y ago
You might need to interact with a more diverse group of people ... I don't know where you eat but in Paris a high end meal would start along the line of 100e. You can buy a repairable Nokia G21 for 134e at the moment would probably be sufficient for my usage but sadly support is crap :(
- randomdata 3y ago
  > You can buy a repairable Nokia G21 for 134e at the moment would probably be sufficient for my usage but sadly support is crap :( At 134e support might be crap. What kind of support contract are they offering you if you throw, say, another 1000e at them? How about 10,000e? 100,000e? To value something requires demonstration of actually valuing it. You can't just say "I value this" and expect things to magically change. Words are meaningless. Only action gets things done. I get the impression that what you actually value is a phone leveraging economies of scale with decent support.
MandieD 3y ago
400 EUR would cover dinner and two nice bottles of wine for 6 at the fanciest restaurant I’ve been to in Nürnberg. What the heck kind of restaurant costs 400 EUR for a single dinner?!

johnnyanmac 3y ago

> Cool story the usual speech of making it the fault of the consumer ... it's a three-pronged problem with no single faultee. So there are 3 different approaches. - change consumer demands to be more environmentally aware. This is the hardest but most effective angle. because if demands shift, business will shift to make money and consumers in democratic regions will vote in those who also care and enact proper regulations. - make a business that creates that demand. The "Tesla of phones" if you will. This is the "easiest" solution (in the loosest sense of the word) but also the least resiliant. It could fail, or you yourself could fall into the very same rush for profits. - change the regulations. By encouraging others to support certain laws or being in politics yourself as a champion. Middle of the road, in terms of difficulty and effectivenesss. >But you might have heard of economy of scale ? yeah, that's probably why we get these duopolies. providing a global hardware product is absurdly expensive, not really something that can be done by a scrappy startup like software. At that scale companies take every shortcut they can. Unless you convince existing OEMs to provide these products, the "right" solution will never be the cheapest one. And if consumers care about price comparisons over sustainability, that's a stance in and of itself.

Timshel 3y ago
> with no single faultee. I absolutely disagree it's not because society has not caught up and there is almost no cost to pollution that company are not at fault ...
- johnnyanmac 3y ago
  do you really think this is only the govt's fault for not reacting fast enough? Or only the company's fault for providing a product people want? I don't see the advatadge in playing the blame game here. I'd rather provide solutions than focus on who did it worse.