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> it's not going to make them want to be nice to you. Is it so much to ask for professionalism from law enforcement? "We beat your team" is not enough to warra

> it's not going to make them want to be nice to you. Is it so much to ask for professionalism from law enforcement? "We beat your team" is not enough to warrant violating anyones rights - it's not even that impolite in general.

freedomben 3y ago
> Is it so much to ask for professionalism from law enforcement? "We beat your team" is not enough to warrant violating anyones rights - it's not even that impolite in general. No it's not too much to ask, and we should not only ask but demand professionalism from them. And please re-read the very first part of my comment, because I never said anything remotely close to it being "enough to warrant violating anyones rights" (in fact I said the opposite, that the arrest was BS). Now, requiring cops to be superhuman and completely immune to having any emotions affect their highly subjective judgment, is never going to work. At least not until we replace the humans with AI. Humans are not capable of completely rational thought, in fact we're almost entirely the opposite: we make decisions emotionally, and then justify them rationally. Asking a cop to cease being human is a recipe for failure and goes against what we know about neuroscience. About the "we beat your team" not even being impolite, firstly if you watch the video, that was not the only thing he said, but also do you not see what that was about? Keep in mind this is a college football player talking to a person who previously played college football. It was standard jock high-school bullshit from a tribal person to another tribal person (he plays football, and he's extensively inquiring about the cops football past during this). It was an attempt to belittle the cop, and it's the type of petty behavior I expect from children. You can't just take the one line and strip it from all of its context and evaluate it independently. At least you can't do that if you actually want to understand how and why it was said and evaluate the situation. Disclaimer since people seem incapable of non-binary thinking: None of this excuses the cops behavior
- hamburglar 3y ago
  The kid was incredibly genial and polite for quite a while until the cop started lying and making it clear he was determined to make a false dui arrest.
  - freedomben 3y ago
    I mostly agree. IMHO the point at which the kid departed from that was at 5:29: https://youtu.be/so_bFYoIsow?si=H4-TGu7e90U1Emaf&t=328 https://youtu.be/so_bFYoIsow?si=H4-TGu7e90U1Emaf&t=328 At that point I don't think it was clear that the cop was determined to make a false DUI arrest. That came much later. At that point though the copy definitely seemed convinced that the kid was drinking, but he was still working through it. It's definitely possible that had the kid maintained his original demeanor that the cop might have changed his mind during or after the tests, but after the insults and stuff there was no way for him to back out without feeling stupid and like the kid "won." Normally I wouldn't bother saying this next part but people seem intent today on reading more into my comments than is actually there, so to be clear, none of that justifies the cop's behavior and arrest. The cop was being a petty emotional asshole and his conduct was disgusting and despicable.
    - hamburglar 3y ago
      For what it’s worth, I think you were very clear on the cop being in the wrong. I just disagree that the kid’s fairly mild attitude was in any way out of line or inadvisable, especially given how polite he was for so long. I think it was very obvious the cop was pushing a BS narrative from the beginning and I certainly would have had a hard time holding my tongue about it. When you haven’t been anywhere near alcohol and are stone cold sober and a cop claims your eyes are bloodshot and watery and you’re slurring your speech and, most egregiously, that they can smell alcohol on your breath, you know you are getting railroaded.

freedomben 3y ago

> Is it so much to ask for professionalism from law enforcement? "We beat your team" is not enough to warrant violating anyones rights - it's not even that impolite in general. No it's not too much to ask, and we should not only ask but demand professionalism from them. And please re-read the very first part of my comment, because I never said anything remotely close to it being "enough to warrant violating anyones rights" (in fact I said the opposite, that the arrest was BS). Now, requiring cops to be superhuman and completely immune to having any emotions affect their highly subjective judgment, is never going to work. At least not until we replace the humans with AI. Humans are not capable of completely rational thought, in fact we're almost entirely the opposite: we make decisions emotionally, and then justify them rationally. Asking a cop to cease being human is a recipe for failure and goes against what we know about neuroscience. About the "we beat your team" not even being impolite, firstly if you watch the video, that was not the only thing he said, but also do you not see what that was about? Keep in mind this is a college football player talking to a person who previously played college football. It was standard jock high-school bullshit from a tribal person to another tribal person (he plays football, and he's extensively inquiring about the cops football past during this). It was an attempt to belittle the cop, and it's the type of petty behavior I expect from children. You can't just take the one line and strip it from all of its context and evaluate it independently. At least you can't do that if you actually want to understand how and why it was said and evaluate the situation. Disclaimer since people seem incapable of non-binary thinking: None of this excuses the cops behavior

hamburglar 3y ago
The kid was incredibly genial and polite for quite a while until the cop started lying and making it clear he was determined to make a false dui arrest.
- freedomben 3y ago
  I mostly agree. IMHO the point at which the kid departed from that was at 5:29: https://youtu.be/so_bFYoIsow?si=H4-TGu7e90U1Emaf&t=328 https://youtu.be/so_bFYoIsow?si=H4-TGu7e90U1Emaf&t=328 At that point I don't think it was clear that the cop was determined to make a false DUI arrest. That came much later. At that point though the copy definitely seemed convinced that the kid was drinking, but he was still working through it. It's definitely possible that had the kid maintained his original demeanor that the cop might have changed his mind during or after the tests, but after the insults and stuff there was no way for him to back out without feeling stupid and like the kid "won." Normally I wouldn't bother saying this next part but people seem intent today on reading more into my comments than is actually there, so to be clear, none of that justifies the cop's behavior and arrest. The cop was being a petty emotional asshole and his conduct was disgusting and despicable.
  - hamburglar 3y ago
    For what it’s worth, I think you were very clear on the cop being in the wrong. I just disagree that the kid’s fairly mild attitude was in any way out of line or inadvisable, especially given how polite he was for so long. I think it was very obvious the cop was pushing a BS narrative from the beginning and I certainly would have had a hard time holding my tongue about it. When you haven’t been anywhere near alcohol and are stone cold sober and a cop claims your eyes are bloodshot and watery and you’re slurring your speech and, most egregiously, that they can smell alcohol on your breath, you know you are getting railroaded.