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> but pro-tip for people in the future: cops are humans and if you stoop to personal insults Yes, protip, abandon your rights so man children don’t get upset.

> but pro-tip for people in the future: cops are humans and if you stoop to personal insults Yes, protip, abandon your rights so man children don’t get upset. This is clearly the best decision. This comment is sick.

freedomben 3y ago
> Yes, protip, abandon your rights so man children don’t get upset. This is clearly the best decision. > This comment is sick. Please enlighten me, what rights do you think I was suggesting people should abandon?
- renewiltord 3y ago
  1A, reaffirmed in City of Houston v Hill (1987)
  - freedomben 3y ago
    How am I suggesting abandoning 1A? I'm assuming you are talking about the "speech" part of that rather than religion, press, or assembly. Firstly, I'm specifically saying there should NOT be consequences to him from what he said to the cop. That's bogus, unprofessional, and terrible. But that said you also have responsibility for your speech that goes along with the freedom. Do you think people should just say every single thing that comes to their minds to their peers at work? If not, then are you (as you suggest about me) saying people should abandon their 1A rights at work? Or would you (much more sensibly IMHO) say that if you go around being a dick to people then it's going to affect the way they treat you and the boss you keep insulting isn't going to feel full of love toward you and want to promote you. Telling somebody to use their free speech responsibly (which is what I am doing) is not in any way the same thing as telling them to abandon their right to free speech.
    - mcpackieh 3y ago
      Forget it Jake, this is Orange Reddit. People respond not to what you actually said, but rather to what they think you secretly meant.
    - alex_lav 3y ago
      > Telling somebody to use their free speech responsibly (which is what I am doing) is not in any way the same thing as telling them to abandon their right to free speech. If it's a right, there is no "responsibly". It is a right. That's what rights are. To suggest "Well maybe sometimes don't" implies they aren't rights.
      - freedomben 3y ago
        You can't honestly be saying that you don't think there are any consequences for any speech. Even if that is how you think it should be, it's an is/ought fallacy because the real world doesn't work that way. People get offended by things people say all the time, and they treat those people differently because of it. It's not even (usually) a conscious decision. Telling somebody they should say whatever they want and there should be no consequences for it because you have a right to free speech is absolutely awful advice.
        alex_lav 3y ago
        > You can't honestly be saying that you don't think there are any consequences for any speech. I _can_ honestly say that I expect the law enforcement officers that I pay out of my tax dollars to not act like fascist gestapo children and uphold my rights, as is literally their job. > it's an is/ought fallacy because the real world doesn't work that way. Because of people like you enabling bad behavior. > People get offended by things people say all the time, and they treat those people differently because of it. Yep. And then they get fired (or they should, but again, apologists like yourself make it all too easy to stay in power). > Telling somebody they should say whatever they want and there should be no consequences for it because you have a right to free speech is absolutely awful advice. Point out where I said there will be no consequences. And then once you realize I didn't, respond again if you'd like with a more coherent take? Because "Someone might get mad if you exercise your rights" is, to be honest, pretty ridiculous.

freedomben 3y ago

> Yes, protip, abandon your rights so man children don’t get upset. This is clearly the best decision. > This comment is sick. Please enlighten me, what rights do you think I was suggesting people should abandon?

renewiltord 3y ago
1A, reaffirmed in City of Houston v Hill (1987)
- freedomben 3y ago
  How am I suggesting abandoning 1A? I'm assuming you are talking about the "speech" part of that rather than religion, press, or assembly. Firstly, I'm specifically saying there should NOT be consequences to him from what he said to the cop. That's bogus, unprofessional, and terrible. But that said you also have responsibility for your speech that goes along with the freedom. Do you think people should just say every single thing that comes to their minds to their peers at work? If not, then are you (as you suggest about me) saying people should abandon their 1A rights at work? Or would you (much more sensibly IMHO) say that if you go around being a dick to people then it's going to affect the way they treat you and the boss you keep insulting isn't going to feel full of love toward you and want to promote you. Telling somebody to use their free speech responsibly (which is what I am doing) is not in any way the same thing as telling them to abandon their right to free speech.
  - mcpackieh 3y ago
    Forget it Jake, this is Orange Reddit. People respond not to what you actually said, but rather to what they think you secretly meant.
  - alex_lav 3y ago
    > Telling somebody to use their free speech responsibly (which is what I am doing) is not in any way the same thing as telling them to abandon their right to free speech. If it's a right, there is no "responsibly". It is a right. That's what rights are. To suggest "Well maybe sometimes don't" implies they aren't rights.
    - freedomben 3y ago
      You can't honestly be saying that you don't think there are any consequences for any speech. Even if that is how you think it should be, it's an is/ought fallacy because the real world doesn't work that way. People get offended by things people say all the time, and they treat those people differently because of it. It's not even (usually) a conscious decision. Telling somebody they should say whatever they want and there should be no consequences for it because you have a right to free speech is absolutely awful advice.
      - alex_lav 3y ago
        > You can't honestly be saying that you don't think there are any consequences for any speech. I _can_ honestly say that I expect the law enforcement officers that I pay out of my tax dollars to not act like fascist gestapo children and uphold my rights, as is literally their job. > it's an is/ought fallacy because the real world doesn't work that way. Because of people like you enabling bad behavior. > People get offended by things people say all the time, and they treat those people differently because of it. Yep. And then they get fired (or they should, but again, apologists like yourself make it all too easy to stay in power). > Telling somebody they should say whatever they want and there should be no consequences for it because you have a right to free speech is absolutely awful advice. Point out where I said there will be no consequences. And then once you realize I didn't, respond again if you'd like with a more coherent take? Because "Someone might get mad if you exercise your rights" is, to be honest, pretty ridiculous.