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> The real ones though are very reliable indicators that something fucked up went down. Any numbers on how much more reliable they are after the initial order

> The real ones though are very reliable indicators that something fucked up went down. Any numbers on how much more reliable they are after the initial order kicks you out of the spousal home and asks you to get a lawyer while navigating being homeless and losing access to assets in your house and any evidence inside? It's hard to believe the short hearing a couple weeks later with pretty low standard of evidence with you now at a severe disadvantage is that much more accurate.

giraffe_lady 3y ago
Are you speaking from personal experience? Because I've lived through exactly that, and I still understand protective orders as one of the most effective ways to prevent intimate partner murders.
- 15155 3y ago
  Why would someone who intends to commit murder care about a misdemeanor status offense?
  - giraffe_lady 3y ago
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    - 15155 3y ago
      > Could you please go learn something about this subject before you talk out your ass about it. I didn't intend to upset you. How many of these cases have you tried? Where do you practice, exactly? > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.
      - feoren 3y ago
        You're using armchair logic, which can justify anything. giraffe_lady already said: > I've lived through exactly that So your 100% snarky comment about how she's not a practicing lawyer and therefore can't know anything about it is pretty off key, especially when you're literally quoting "don't be snarky". You're both swiping at each other; don't quote the rules at someone when you're not applying them to yourself.
        15155 3y ago
        Where did I say: "she's not a practicing lawyer and therefore can't know anything about it?" To preface: I had/have absolutely no idea if "she" is a "she," what she is, where she is, her level of professional expertise or profession. I am human, I don't know everything, everywhere: the distinct possibility exists that whatever jurisdiction this individual is in has laws, customs unbeknownst to me. This person insinuated that I was "talking out my ass," implied my hard-earned knowledge and experience was obtained from a "mens rights subreddit" as a way to dismiss my statements.
    - ipaddr 3y ago
      What happens often is this causes the escalation. Trying to make this into a reddit issue and claiming information backing up your point is everywhere is weak and you lose credibility. Produce the studies or let your argument devolve into hearsay
  - compiler-guy 3y ago
    Because these crimes are often not preplanned and come out of bad situations that start comparatively cool, and then escalate out of control. By preventing the situation prior to the escalation, the more serious events don’t happen as often.
- Jensson 3y ago
  > I still understand protective orders as one of the most effective ways to prevent intimate partner murders I don't see how that makes them a reliable indicator that something went down. That could be true even if 99% of restraining orders were against innocent people.

giraffe_lady 3y ago

Are you speaking from personal experience? Because I've lived through exactly that, and I still understand protective orders as one of the most effective ways to prevent intimate partner murders.

15155 3y ago
Why would someone who intends to commit murder care about a misdemeanor status offense?
- giraffe_lady 3y ago
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  - 15155 3y ago
    > Could you please go learn something about this subject before you talk out your ass about it. I didn't intend to upset you. How many of these cases have you tried? Where do you practice, exactly? > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.
    - feoren 3y ago
      You're using armchair logic, which can justify anything. giraffe_lady already said: > I've lived through exactly that So your 100% snarky comment about how she's not a practicing lawyer and therefore can't know anything about it is pretty off key, especially when you're literally quoting "don't be snarky". You're both swiping at each other; don't quote the rules at someone when you're not applying them to yourself.
      - 15155 3y ago
        Where did I say: "she's not a practicing lawyer and therefore can't know anything about it?" To preface: I had/have absolutely no idea if "she" is a "she," what she is, where she is, her level of professional expertise or profession. I am human, I don't know everything, everywhere: the distinct possibility exists that whatever jurisdiction this individual is in has laws, customs unbeknownst to me. This person insinuated that I was "talking out my ass," implied my hard-earned knowledge and experience was obtained from a "mens rights subreddit" as a way to dismiss my statements.
  - ipaddr 3y ago
    What happens often is this causes the escalation. Trying to make this into a reddit issue and claiming information backing up your point is everywhere is weak and you lose credibility. Produce the studies or let your argument devolve into hearsay
- compiler-guy 3y ago
  Because these crimes are often not preplanned and come out of bad situations that start comparatively cool, and then escalate out of control. By preventing the situation prior to the escalation, the more serious events don’t happen as often.
Jensson 3y ago
> I still understand protective orders as one of the most effective ways to prevent intimate partner murders I don't see how that makes them a reliable indicator that something went down. That could be true even if 99% of restraining orders were against innocent people.